Amazingly Ill Informed Telegraph Article

dunstonh

In the real world our TV costs us 88p per year on standby. 

That would not be accurate for a modern television with connectivity.  Ours has a run rate of 27w if you have connectivity turned on. Down to less than tapo can read with it off.  

I'm matching MMM with this and we have 3 LG Oleds (2016,2019 and 2022)

Qyburn

dunstonh said:

In the real world our TV costs us 88p per year on standby. 

That would not be accurate for a modern television with connectivity.  Ours has a run rate of 27w if you have connectivity turned on. Down to less than tapo can read with it off.  

Sony KD-43X85J supplied in 2022. Network standby less than 2.0W, normal less than 0.5W. They need to be something like that for compliance with EU regulation 801/2013 as amended. So as stated I suspect these high power consumption sets have a pile of optional features switched on, maybe well hidden but certainly worth a look.

I wonder if Matt's is LG? A real quick Google show people complaining about exactly this, and some pointing the finger a a setting "Quick Start+" that keeps a pile of applications running. 

Olinda99

every 1W uses about 8.7 kwHr a year (24 x 365)

at say 34p per kwhr is about £2.90 per year.

my microwave uses 2w continuously if not switched off at wall  (so £5.80 a year) and washing machine 4w!

MattMattMattUK

Qyburn said:

dunstonh said:

In the real world our TV costs us 88p per year on standby. 

That would not be accurate for a modern television with connectivity.  Ours has a run rate of 27w if you have connectivity turned on. Down to less than tapo can read with it off.  

Sony KD-43X85J supplied in 2022. Network standby less than 2.0W, normal less than 0.5W. They need to be something like that for compliance with EU regulation 801/2013 as amended. So as stated I suspect these high power consumption sets have a pile of optional features switched on, maybe well hidden but certainly worth a look.

I wonder if Matt's is LG? A real quick Google show people complaining about exactly this, and some pointing the finger a a setting "Quick Start+" that keeps a pile of applications running. 

It is a Sony OLED, however it applies to nearly all modern TVs. They comply with the EU legislation by having the low consumption with all smart features and WiFi turned off, however that does not reflect how they generally operate in the real world, smart features running in the background and WiFi on.

Qyburn

But if you need all those smart features running 24/7, the advice to switch off at the mains is inappropriate.

MultiFuelBurner

Personally it's a good starting piece for those that don't frequent these boards or who have not looked into their own usage in depth.

So the title "amazingly I'll informed article" I disagree it's ok for what it is. But in no way useful to many that frequent the energy board as it does not play to their knowledge.

Qyburn

MattMattMattUK said: 

It is a Sony OLED

Out of interest do you know if the P110 corrects for power factor? I saw something where using proper test equipment he'd found his TV had a really poor PF in standby, poor enough to make a really big difference between VA and W.

Zandoni

Some TVs are meant to be left in standby.

"Your TV will perform automatic maintenance and software updates overnight to ensure it continues
to perform at its best. Therefore, it’s best to avoid switching your TV off at the wall or leaving
it unplugged overnight. OLED & QLED TVs generally use less than 0.5 Watts of power when
left in standby. In real terms, the cost of leaving your TV in standby for a whole year would be
approximately 50 pence."

https://customerservice.richersounds.com/hc/en-gb/articles/360014155977-Caring-for-your-OLED-QLED-premium-TV

dunstonh

Qyburn said:

But if you need all those smart features running 24/7, the advice to switch off at the mains is inappropriate.

Plus, you should not switch an OLED TV off at the mains, whether you have mobile options off as they run cycles in standby.  Often only lasting 10 or so seconds but periodically a much longer one.

and some pointing the finger a a setting "Quick Start+" that keeps a pile of applications running. 

The quickstart does add a few watts.  I did post on here last year on how the different modes affected standby use.

But most modern TVs of all brands have these sorts of options.   If you want to use Airplay or casting you need them on.    I suspect the majority don't need them yet but is is an area of significant growth.      But I wonder how many people have them turned on and don't realise the constant draw.  

the_lunatic_is_in_my_head

Qyburn said:

But it's not just smart meters they spout nonsense about, for example ..

"Leaving a TV on standby costs £24.61 a year, while leaving a Freeview box plugged in at the mains adds £23.10 to annual bills, research by British Gas found. The luxury of leaving a microwave on standby costs households an average of £16.37 a year, while a washing machine and tumble dryer add £4.73 and £4.79"

You'll find a lot of news outlets report the news rather than investigate it, British Gas said something (or published such findings) and the paper is simply passing that comment over to the reader. Would you question British Gas as a reliable source? Most wouldn't but every source should be scrutinised and the media doesn't particularly do so that often.

News, like everything else, has become a consumable item, instead of one paper a day with key stories and a bit of filler we now have websites updated hourly with heaps of "news".

Most people won't remember what they read yesterday, other than the big news articles, but it's ideal for the paper as rather than an exercise in becoming knowledgeable about our world the news has become an exercise in basic consumption. 

You will very rarely read neutral information anywhere at all and the agenda of the papers is to keep your attention on their site as long as possible in the hope you click as many ads as possible. 

Even when "they spout nonsense" they have achieved their goal, demonstrated by you sending a few extra people to news ad hosting platform.