📨 Have you signed up to the Forum's new Email Digest yet? Get a selection of trending threads sent straight to your inbox daily, weekly or monthly!

Disciplinary for gross misconduct.

Options
2

Comments

  • FutureGirl
    FutureGirl Posts: 1,252 Forumite
    Eighth Anniversary 1,000 Posts Combo Breaker
    edited 23 September 2023 at 10:41PM
    I had given the telephone number to NSPCC to assist in a welfare check. Thank you for your input all.
  • Brie
    Brie Posts: 14,772 Ambassador
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Photogenic Name Dropper
    edited 23 September 2023 at 10:48PM
    So for a noble cause supposedly.  That might mitigate some blame.  

    How sure were you that it was NSPCC?  By that I mean - did someone ring up and say "Hi I'm Bob from NSPCC and need X's number"?  Or did someone jump through various hoops and gave you a number that you could look up and ring back?  
    I’m a Forum Ambassador and I support the Forum Team on Debt Free Wannabe, Old Style Money Saving and Pensions boards.  If you need any help on these boards, do let me know. Please note that Ambassadors are not moderators. Any posts you spot in breach of the Forum Rules should be reported via the report button, or by emailing forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com. All views are my own and not the official line of MoneySavingExpert.

    Click on this link for a Statement of Accounts that can be posted on the DebtFree Wannabe board:  https://lemonfool.co.uk/financecalculators/soa.php

    Check your state pension on: Check your State Pension forecast - GOV.UK

    "Never retract, never explain, never apologise; get things done and let them howl.”  Nellie McClung
    ⭐️🏅😇
  • Marcon
    Marcon Posts: 14,505 Forumite
    Ninth Anniversary 10,000 Posts Name Dropper Combo Breaker
    I had given the telephone number to NSPCC to assist in a welfare check. Thank you for your input all.
    Why give it at all and why give it without checking with your manager or someone else at a more senior level? That's important - any suggestion that you didn't check because you were worried about getting the answer 'no' won't help your case.
    Googling on your question might have been both quicker and easier, if you're only after simple facts rather than opinions!  
  • Brie
    Brie Posts: 14,772 Ambassador
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Photogenic Name Dropper
    Marcon said:
    I had given the telephone number to NSPCC to assist in a welfare check. Thank you for your input all.
    Why give it at all and why give it without checking with your manager or someone else at a more senior level? That's important - any suggestion that you didn't check because you were worried about getting the answer 'no' won't help your case.
    Sometimes organizations (or scammers) will state loudly "do you really want a child to suffer!?!?!?!?!" which is rather frigtening.  If this is what happened you should say so.  That you were intimidated into doing something you wouldn't normally do is something worth mentioning.
    I’m a Forum Ambassador and I support the Forum Team on Debt Free Wannabe, Old Style Money Saving and Pensions boards.  If you need any help on these boards, do let me know. Please note that Ambassadors are not moderators. Any posts you spot in breach of the Forum Rules should be reported via the report button, or by emailing forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com. All views are my own and not the official line of MoneySavingExpert.

    Click on this link for a Statement of Accounts that can be posted on the DebtFree Wannabe board:  https://lemonfool.co.uk/financecalculators/soa.php

    Check your state pension on: Check your State Pension forecast - GOV.UK

    "Never retract, never explain, never apologise; get things done and let them howl.”  Nellie McClung
    ⭐️🏅😇
  • YBR
    YBR Posts: 716 Forumite
    Seventh Anniversary 500 Posts Mortgage-free Glee! Name Dropper
    Have you been given any training/guidance about what to do when GDPR bumps up against Safeguarding situations?
    So often Safeguarding trumps everything else that it is very hard to say no. None the less you should have escalated.
    I think there is a mitigation worth mentioning here.

    OP, All the best in this situation.
    Decluttering awards 2025: 🏅🏅🏅⭐️ ⭐️, DH: 🏅⭐️ and one for Mum: 🏅








  • fatbelly
    fatbelly Posts: 23,001 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Name Dropper Cashback Cashier
    I had given the telephone number to NSPCC to assist in a welfare check. Thank you for your input all.
    I remember a similar case where a CitizensAdvice worker did this and was dismissed. It went to tribunal as an unfair dismissal and the employee won iirc.

    If you can locate the case, or use a professional to do that, the tribunal's reasoning my be useful
  • housebuyer143
    housebuyer143 Posts: 4,266 Forumite
    1,000 Posts Third Anniversary Name Dropper
    edited 24 September 2023 at 7:51AM
    Tricky one because it's a clear GDPR breach that you then didn't report, but stackable offence, hmmmm. Let's be honest I am sure lots of people have done similar? My old company never gave any GDPR training and I know for certain information like that was given out. 

    As others have said, write it down matter of fact and if you can't say it (because I have been there when you are so angry or upset you can only cry), you can pass them the paper to read themselves. Your years probably won't go in your favour because you should have know assuming the company has training on this but you can say you made a mistake and put any mitigating factors down that will probably help. 

  • Undervalued
    Undervalued Posts: 9,594 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 1,000 Posts Name Dropper
    edited 24 September 2023 at 11:08AM
    I had given the telephone number to NSPCC to assist in a welfare check. Thank you for your input all.
    As far as I am aware the NSPCC (like the RSPCA) have absolutely no statutory powers, although they like to give the impression that they do. So although the fact that the data breach was to the NSPCC might be seen as mitigation, technically it isn't.

    To be honest, this all depends on the firm's policy / view. Some companies would treat this as very serious indeed whilst others may be sympathetic or laid back about it. 
  • Undervalued
    Undervalued Posts: 9,594 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 1,000 Posts Name Dropper
    edited 24 September 2023 at 11:22AM
    fatbelly said:
    I had given the telephone number to NSPCC to assist in a welfare check. Thank you for your input all.
    I remember a similar case where a CitizensAdvice worker did this and was dismissed. It went to tribunal as an unfair dismissal and the employee won iirc.

    If you can locate the case, or use a professional to do that, the tribunal's reasoning my be useful
    It could well be that this was on a technicality, in that the employer hadn't correctly followed procedure or that the actual breach was considered so trivial as to only be misconduct and not gross misconduct. 

    There certainly are plenty of examples of any misuse of personal data being treated as gross misconduct, regardless of the motive.

    In law, all the employer needs is to have made a reasonable (layman's) attempt to conduct a fair investigation and hearing and to form a "reasonable belief" that the misconduct took place. Having done that then dismissal needs to be within the range of sanctions a "reasonable employer" might choose. 

    If they fail on any of those points but there is still little doubt that the misconduct took place, although the dismissal would technically be unfair if would lead to little if any compensation as the employee would still be seen as the author of their own misfortune.

    Unless the OP has a sound defence the best advice would be to admit their mistake and rely on remorse and mitigation based on many years of excellent service.
  • I had given the telephone number to NSPCC to assist in a welfare check. Thank you for your input all.
    As far as I am aware the NSPCC (like the RSPCA) have absolutely no statutory powers, although they like to give the impression that they do. So although the fact that the data breach was to the NSPCC might be seen as mitigation, technically it isn't.

    To be honest, this all depends on the firm's policy / view. Some companies would treat this as very serious indeed whilst others may be sympathetic or laid back about it. 

    In our place of work, we can't give info to the police without a Data Release Form, even if they come into the building in uniform with badges etc
    Debt Free as of 17/01/2009 Turtle Power!!

    EF Challenger #3 £1543.72 / £5000
    MFW 2024 #100 £1300.00 / £10,000

    MFiT #40 Jan 2025 Target - £99,999.00
    Mortgage at 30/09/22 £113,694.11 | Mortgage at 24/01/23 £110,707.87
    Mortgage at 21/04/23 £107,701.01 | Mortgage at 20/07/23 £106,979.65
    Mortgage at 04/10/23 £106,253.77 | Mortgage at 10/01/24 £105,324.57
    Mortgage at 01/04/24 £104,424.73 | Mortgage at 01/10/24 £103,594.98
Meet your Ambassadors

🚀 Getting Started

Hi new member!

Our Getting Started Guide will help you get the most out of the Forum

Categories

  • All Categories
  • 351.1K Banking & Borrowing
  • 253.2K Reduce Debt & Boost Income
  • 453.7K Spending & Discounts
  • 244.1K Work, Benefits & Business
  • 599.1K Mortgages, Homes & Bills
  • 177K Life & Family
  • 257.5K Travel & Transport
  • 1.5M Hobbies & Leisure
  • 16.1K Discuss & Feedback
  • 37.6K Read-Only Boards

Is this how you want to be seen?

We see you are using a default avatar. It takes only a few seconds to pick a picture.