Road Tax start date for new purchase

derrick

molerat said:

derrick said:

Would probably cost a lot more for DVLA to implement a new system to work VED on a daily basis ,

It is done with MOT's, it is all digital these days, no reason it cannot be done with VED.

True there is no reason why it can't be done but the costs and risks of changing the computer system to do it will be pretty massive.

Then they should have left it as was, someone pays for the duty, it is paid! If the owner wishes to sell with duty then so be it, if the owner wishes to sell without duty then it is up to the new owner to pay for the duty.

The Government should never have been allowed to get away with this double dipping.

Don't forget the motorists are ripped of every year with around £50 BILLION in motor related taxes being taken, but only around £12 BILLION being spent on the road structure each year. Look at the potholes tha are not being repaired and costing the motorist huge repair bills.

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TooManyPoints

Don't forget the motorists are ripped of every year with around £50 BILLION in motor related taxes being taken, but only around £12 BILLION being spent on the road structure each year.

But the revenue is not ring fenced. It just goes into general funds. It's rather like suggesting that the duty collected from the sale of alcohol should be used to build new breweries and distilleries.

Iceweasel

Surprising that there are still people that don't know that car tax ceased to be transferrable to a new owner/keeper back in October 2014.

BoGoF

It is what it is. If people are that bothered by it then buy your vehicle on the 1st of the month. Nothing is going to change.

facade

derrick said:

molerat said:

derrick said:

Would probably cost a lot more for DVLA to implement a new system to work VED on a daily basis ,

It is done with MOT's, it is all digital these days, no reason it cannot be done with VED.

True there is no reason why it can't be done but the costs and risks of changing the computer system to do it will be pretty massive.

Then they should have left it as was, someone pays for the duty, it is paid! If the owner wishes to sell with duty then so be it, if the owner wishes to sell without duty then it is up to the new owner to pay for the duty.

The Government should never have been allowed to get away with this double dipping.

Don't forget the motorists are ripped of every year with around £50 BILLION in motor related taxes being taken, but only around £12 BILLION being spent on the road structure each year. Look at the potholes tha are not being repaired and costing the motorist huge repair bills.

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They get away with anything, this isn't France!

Try and increase French taxes and the roads are blocked immediately and Paris burns to the ground.

Increase ours and we all moan in online forums and pay them.

The common sense & fair thing to do if the com-pu-tah is really still running software from 1936 would be to refund from the first of next month as now,  BUT allow this month's tax to remain as it has been paid already, so the new keeper pays from the first of next month.

But that would lose the Treasury gazzilions of pounds every year!

TooManyPoints

BoGoF said:

It is what it is. If people are that bothered by it then buy your vehicle on the 1st of the month. Nothing is going to change.

If the Registered Keeper is changed on the 1st of the month, the previous owner will not get a refund for that month. The only way to avoid "double dipping" is for the keeper to SORN the vehicle towards the end of a month. He will then get a refund for the following month. In the early days of that month the RK can be changed, the vehicle un-SORN'd and the new keeper can tax it from the first off that month.

derrick

TooManyPoints said:

Don't forget the motorists are ripped of every year with around £50 BILLION in motor related taxes being taken, but only around £12 BILLION being spent on the road structure each year.

But the revenue is not ring fenced. It just goes into general funds. It's rather like suggesting that the duty collected from the sale of alcohol should be used to build new breweries and distilleries.

Typical stupid comment, we just sit back and let it happen, similar to petrol were we pay excise duty, then VAT on top, another double dip, tax on tax.

Nobody is suggesting building new, just maintain the existing infrastructure from the Billions taken in motoring taxes.

Car_54

facade said:

derrick said:

molerat said:

derrick said:

Would probably cost a lot more for DVLA to implement a new system to work VED on a daily basis ,

It is done with MOT's, it is all digital these days, no reason it cannot be done with VED.

True there is no reason why it can't be done but the costs and risks of changing the computer system to do it will be pretty massive.

Then they should have left it as was, someone pays for the duty, it is paid! If the owner wishes to sell with duty then so be it, if the owner wishes to sell without duty then it is up to the new owner to pay for the duty.

The Government should never have been allowed to get away with this double dipping.

Don't forget the motorists are ripped of every year with around £50 BILLION in motor related taxes being taken, but only around £12 BILLION being spent on the road structure each year. Look at the potholes tha are not being repaired and costing the motorist huge repair bills.

.

They get away with anything, this isn't France!

Try and increase French taxes and the roads are blocked immediately and Paris burns to the ground.

Increase ours and we all moan in online forums and pay them.

The common sense & fair thing to do if the com-pu-tah is really still running software from 1936 would be to refund from the first of next month as now,  BUT allow this month's tax to remain as it has been paid already, so the new keeper pays from the first of next month.

But that would lose the Treasury gazzilions of pounds every year!

And those gazillions would have to be found where? 

Income tax? VAT? Be careful what you wish for.

motorguy

ashers2ashers said:

Car_54 said:

missymoneypenny said:

Many thanks everyone, I should have known the buggers would get extra lolly. I wouldn't mind but it's £325 a year anyway, much appreciated.

So less than £1 a day - you've "lost" about a tenner. How does that compare with the price of the car?

Although they mentioned the price of £325 as if that was how much extra was being paid and that was incorrect, I (personally) believe perhaps the main point or gripe that bugs people is the double charging - regardless of how little it may be. There's no reason for it, except greed and them doing it because they can. Regardless of one's views on having "well" funded public services, it still leaves a sour taste for the government to be able to get away with something that most people would agree is "unfair".

Given its part of tax revenue being gathered, i'm sure if they were change it to the day instead of month, they'd then have to raise the overall cost of VED to cover that particular loss in revenue.

And has been said, it would require a pretty large update to the computer systems.

I'm sure the tenner or so "lost" by the O/P pails in to insignificance compared to other running costs of the car.

TooManyPoints

And has been said, it would require a pretty large update to the computer systems.

Well the DVLA managed to update their systems fairy readily from the earlier procedure where the "tax disc" (i.e. the Vehicle Excise Duty) could be sold with the car. Prior to then (which I think was in 2015) there was no need for the buyer or seller to do anything (though the seller could get a refund on the unexpired VED if he wished). It was simply carried over to the new owner who would not need to renew it until it expired. There is no justification for this "double charging", however small an amount it may be.