£200 to tax a 1.2 Polo

Car_54

hubb said:

LightFlare said:

Tax is based on emissions. A 21 year old petrol is likely to be much more polluting than a modern diesel

I very much doubt it. look at the black smoke that comes out of busses, canal barges. 

When and where did you last see a bus emitting black smoke?

magpies79

35har1old said:

LightFlare said:

Tax is based on emissions. A 21 year old petrol is likely to be much more polluting than a modern diesel

Very few diesel are under 1.6 so a diesel of that age would cost £325
Even a 2 Yr old polo costs £180

Well I have a 2010 Astra diesel 1.7 my road tax is £30 a year but we also use to have a 1.8 zafria petrol and the tax was crazy like not far off £340 

forgotmyname

Buy a big dirty diesel and your tax will only be £30.  Odd that my vehicle with £30 tax uses a lot more fuel than
the previous similar sized car but with a bigger engine and that was £220 tax.

So it saves me on tax but costs way more than that saving in additional fuel each year.

Goudy

You have to factor in the £30 to tax older diesel is not being charged daily fines, sorry emission charges to enter cities.

So the £150 saving on tax will equal 12 trips into the London ULEZ.

My local council charge 25% more to park a none compliant ULEZ car as well.


Own an EV, well road tax is coming to a post office near you in 2025 as the current system is being ripped up and a new, "fairer" system is going to be introduced.

What this system will be and who it will be fairer to I don't know but I will have a guess it's fairer to the government as they look to recoup the ever increasing lost revenue from petrol and diesel.

Fuel duty and VAT on fuel brings in over £26 billion a year at the moment and another £8 billion from VED is expected this year.

Around 49% of the cost of petrol and 46% of diesel is fuel duty and VAT.
At the moment electricity has only 5% VAT on home use and 20% on public chargers and have £0 VED.
Bit of a short fall on the horizon for whichever government we will have.

Sea_Shell

I've always said that government* will want their (billion) pound of flesh eventually, down the line.

They need to swell the coffers some how, as more and more people switch away from "cash cows" that older ICE are becoming.

The 'carrot' will be withdrawn once the 'stick' has done its job.      Then they'll just find another stick.



* of any colour

hubb

Car_54 said:

hubb said:

LightFlare said:

Tax is based on emissions. A 21 year old petrol is likely to be much more polluting than a modern diesel

I very much doubt it. look at the black smoke that comes out of busses, canal barges. 

When and where did you last see a bus emitting black smoke?

I see it often in my local town. 

hubb

magpies79 said:

35har1old said:

LightFlare said:

Tax is based on emissions. A 21 year old petrol is likely to be much more polluting than a modern diesel

Very few diesel are under 1.6 so a diesel of that age would cost £325
Even a 2 Yr old polo costs £180

Well I have a 2010 Astra diesel 1.7 my road tax is £30 a year but we also use to have a 1.8 zafria petrol and the tax was crazy like not far off £340 

Something amiss there as you are clearly being undercharged. 

hubb

forgotmyname said:

Buy a big dirty diesel and your tax will only be £30.  Odd that my vehicle with £30 tax uses a lot more fuel than
the previous similar sized car but with a bigger engine and that was £220 tax.

So it saves me on tax but costs way more than that saving in additional fuel each year.

forgotmyname said:

Buy a big dirty diesel and your tax will only be £30.  Odd that my vehicle with £30 tax uses a lot more fuel than
the previous similar sized car but with a bigger engine and that was £220 tax.

So it saves me on tax but costs way more than that saving in additional fuel each year.

My point exactly.

facade

magpies79 said:

35har1old said:

LightFlare said:

Tax is based on emissions. A 21 year old petrol is likely to be much more polluting than a modern diesel

Very few diesel are under 1.6 so a diesel of that age would cost £325
Even a 2 Yr old polo costs £180

Well I have a 2010 Astra diesel 1.7 my road tax is £30 a year but we also use to have a 1.8 zafria petrol and the tax was crazy like not far off £340 

It is all to do with how VED was set up.

In The Real Olden Days all cars paid the same.

Then in the late 1990s "They" wanted to be seen to save the environment, so "they" set a dual rate of VED:-

sub 1549cc = expensive, over 1549cc = horrendously expensive, because they knew that 1600-2000 were the most popular engine sizes, this applied to all vehicles

What happened was it lowered the value of 1600-2000cc cars as you might as well get a 3 litre if you were stung on the tax whilst raising the prices for 1300s, and creating a market for 14/1500cc cars.

Then to be seen give an incentive to help the environment, "they" moved to an emissions based tax in 2001 (for Y registration onwards) and created some impossible bands to aim for (sub 100gm was zero tax as it was thought to be impossible to achieve)

However

1) with a bit of work, and a somewhat creative response to the problem (allegedly) it was possible to get some light weight (throw the spare away and blow the thin tyres up hard) diesel engined cars into the zero VED band!

2) It was the victim of its own success, as people bought lots of the lower emissions cars and scrapped off worthless high VED vehicles when they needed repairs so overall VED returns started falling.

So in April 2017, VED became an equal tax on all vehicles, except the few thousand electric vehicles that were selling each year, with additional fines for daring to buy either an expensive car, or one that produced lots of emissions.

Again this applied after 2017, everything pre 2001 and pre 2017 carried on as before (subject to CPI increases)

What this means is that by choosing the "right" registration date you can benefit from the breaks in the system.

A March 2017 golf 1.6TDi is zero tax, an April 2017 one pays £180.

A March 2017 Lamborghini Aventador (370g/km) pays £2605, whereas an April 2017 one pays £180.

My old Suzuki 1300cc Jimny was registered in the last few weeks of X and used to be around £150, whereas the exact same car registered a couple of weeks later (on a Y plate) was  over £100 more because it was banded by emissions not engine size any more.