Choosing a new broadband deal. They only let me choose existing adsl can’t upgrade to fibre.

littleboo

That's not correct about the OR FTTP plans. 2025 is the switch off of the PSTN telephone network, 2026 is for 25 million homes passed, about 80% coverage.

iniltous

Waiting list for FTTC simply means no spare FTTC ports , there could just be you wanting to order but unable to , or there could be many in the same position, it’s not really a list , it is advised to keep checking , should a port become spare ( a current FTTC customer moving out , or changing to an alternative network and ceasing the OR connection to just use mobile, or whatever ) it’s first come first served, so should ‘waiting list’  change to ‘available’ , it’s advisable to call a provider ASAP before someone else does.
The 2025 is the switch off for traditional PSTN  telephone phone lines not the date everyone will be on FTTP, there will be some still on copper pairs but if they have a telephone service , it will be via the broadband router , (even if the broadband is FTTC )  , the FTTP rollout for those that live in extremely remote locations  or are somewhere it’s not a commercially viable proposition to upgrade may be waiting for years 

Yorkshire_Pud

littleboo said:

That's not correct about the OR FTTP plans. 2025 is the switch off of the PSTN telephone network, 2026 is for 25 million homes passed, about 80% coverage.

Does that mean every home with or that wants a hard wired telephone service will HAVE to have a broadband router and broadband service installed to make speech calls in PSTN’s place. Or use a mobile phone.
Also the router would have to be switched on all the time in order to receive make calls 24/7? Those that hate Wi-Fi pollution or like to switch off overnight will not be happy plus will create more greenhouse gases with the need to keep everything powered up all the time.

Yorkshire_Pud

iniltous said:

Waiting list for FTTC simply means no spare FTTC ports , there could just be you wanting to order but unable to , or there could be many in the same position, it’s not really a list , it is advised to keep checking , should a port become spare ( a current FTTC customer moving out , or changing to an alternative network and ceasing the OR connection to just use mobile, or whatever ) it’s first come first served, so should ‘waiting list’  change to ‘available’ , it’s advisable to call a provider ASAP before someone else does.
The 2025 is the switch off for traditional PSTN  telephone phone lines not the date everyone will be on FTTP, there will be some still on copper pairs but if they have a telephone service , it will be via the broadband router , (even if the broadband is FTTC )  , the FTTP rollout for those that live in extremely remote locations  or are somewhere it’s not a commercially viable proposition to upgrade may be waiting for years 

Interesting, about three years ago plusnet my then provider were forever hassling me to upgrade to fibre as if it was a done deal if I agreed. Maybe different then with less uptake. Didn’t realise I would have to monitor the situation myself, thought the provider would let me know if/when a fibre line came up!

iniltous

If someone is a phone only customer ( no broadband ) and is migrated to the all IP phone network ( BT call their IP offer ‘Digital Voice’  , other providers, if they stay in the telephony business, can call it whatever they like ) the chances are the ‘box’ the Telco will supply, ( the consumer would have to plug their landline phone into this ) ,  although it’s a broadband router of sorts , it probably won’t have WiFi , why would it  ?, it doesn’t need any ‘extras’ , like WiFi, Ethernet ports , a GUI , port forwarding, etc, etc , all these things are commonplace with a router to allow internet access , but this ‘box’ just needs a landline phone port , nothing else.

In your scenario , someone worried about WiFi signals obviously need not be worried, the only gripe potentially is that because it’s a mains powered ‘box’ it may cost a few pence per week to run  , and yes if someone unplugs the box the phone plugs into , then they won’t be able to receive calls, however they would have to be a moron to unplug it and then complain about not being able to make a call.

Yorkshire_Pud

iniltous said:

If someone is a phone only customer ( no broadband ) and is migrated to the all IP phone network ( BT call their IP offer ‘Digital Voice’  , other providers, if they stay in the telephony business, can call it whatever they like ) the chances are the ‘box’ the Telco will supply, ( the consumer would have to plug their landline phone into this ) ,  although it’s a broadband router of sorts , it probably won’t have WiFi , why would it  ?, it doesn’t need any ‘extras’ , like WiFi, Ethernet ports , a GUI , port forwarding, etc, etc , all these things are commonplace with a router to allow internet access , but this ‘box’ just needs a landline phone port , nothing else.

In your scenario , someone worried about WiFi signals obviously need not be worried, the only gripe potentially is that because it’s a mains powered ‘box’ it may cost a few pence per week to run  , and yes if someone unplugs the box the phone plugs into , then they won’t be able to receive calls, however they would have to be a moron to unplug it and then complain about not being able to make a call.

Thanks I’m getting educated! The gist of what I’d seen before was in future your phone line will be from your broadband router without any reference to a stripped down simple phone port box version. Yes I wouldn’t expect someone to feel any need to switch off such a box as there would be no Wi-Fi to avoid if that was a concern, which it is to many.

QrizB

Yorkshire_Pud said:

Thanks I’m getting educated! The gist of what I’d seen before was in future your phone line will be from your broadband router without any reference to a stripped down simple phone port box version. Yes I wouldn’t expect someone to feel any need to switch off such a box as there would be no Wi-Fi to avoid if that was a concern, which it is to many.

There was someone on this forum recently (sorry, can't find the thread ) who has a "digital voice only" line. They have a regular BB router with wifi. There was some brief discussion of how much use they could make of the wifi without their phone co becoming suspicious.

brewerdave

QrizB said:

Yorkshire_Pud said:

Thanks I’m getting educated! The gist of what I’d seen before was in future your phone line will be from your broadband router without any reference to a stripped down simple phone port box version. Yes I wouldn’t expect someone to feel any need to switch off such a box as there would be no Wi-Fi to avoid if that was a concern, which it is to many.

There was someone on this forum recently (sorry, can't find the thread ) who has a "digital voice only" line. They have a regular BB router with wifi. There was some brief discussion of how much use they could make of the wifi without their phone co becoming suspicious.

But my understanding of the supplied BB service in such a situation , is that it would be < 1 Mb - so not much use as there wouldn't much you could do with it - some pages downloading would be like the proverbial watching paint dry !!

iniltous

The  appropriate ‘broadband’ profile for IP telephony only customers , that Openreach introduced specifically for this type of situation is 0.5Mb/s , so totally pretty useless for most things ‘internet’ , but fine for IP telephony , as that doesn’t even need 0.5Mb.

The only ‘chatter’  about ‘line only’  BT customers  that I have seen or heard of is on another forum , someone reckoned that their father who was with BT as a phone only customer, had been advised of an impending migration to BT ,
If this is true , ( there are many ‘Walter Mitty’ types on that forum) then BT would have to supply some device to use at this persons home , as well as converting them to broadband, usually there would be some publicity around this , but I haven’t seen anything.

I was under the impression that line only  customers will be the last migrated, and only those with a BT Broadband are currently being migrated , so it will be interesting if the poster on this other forum keeps that thread updated with what happens to their father , the end of 2025 is still 16 months way .

If in the short term , BT supply a regular ‘wifi’ router for this purpose ( which would be unduly expensive ) then hopefully the WiFi within it , can be disabled, if not , then frankly it’s just tough , people with an irrational fear of things cannot hold up these things .p, they would have a choice , suck it up , or don’t use BT for telephony l as with most things ( TV going digital, lead in petrol being removed ) those that predict a  catastrophe, eventually are silent while  the majority simply get on with it .

BUFF

Yorkshire_Pud said:

Wonder if fibre can only be underground or in some cases overhead from the pole just replacing the copper wire!? 

FTTP can be overhead from a pole - in fact if I go with an Openreach reseller for FTTP that is what I will get in my house.