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Euro Car Parks - parking charge notice, broxburn, scotland

gmassie94
gmassie94 Posts: 5 Forumite
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Hello, hoping someone can advise me, I just received a parking charge notice from ECP, the car park is in a small retail park in broxburn, scotland. I had overstayed by 15 mins (including the grace period). It was past 10pm, the retail units had all closed and there was only a couple of other cars in the car park. It's a car park I've used sporadically for around 10 years, and i just didn't notice the signs as we were in a rush to make a dinner reservation. £100 (£60) seems very harsh imo. My initial instinct is to completely ignore the letter and all future letters, is this the correct approach? 
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  • Fruitcake
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    As long as the registered keeper lives in Scotland, it is safe to ignore. Please note that this advice will change when the new Scottish Transport Bill is introduced within the next year when keeper liability will be imported across the border from England and Wales.

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  • gmassie94
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    Fruitcake said:
    As long as the registered keeper lives in Scotland, it is safe to ignore. Please note that this advice will change when the new Scottish Transport Bill is introduced within the next year when keeper liability will be imported across the border from England and Wales.

    Thanks Fruitcake, the keeper does live in Scotland. Could you explain quickly why it is safe to ignore? Is it because Euro Parks is registered in England or something like that? 
  • Umkomaas
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    gmassie94 said:
    Fruitcake said:
    As long as the registered keeper lives in Scotland, it is safe to ignore. Please note that this advice will change when the new Scottish Transport Bill is introduced within the next year when keeper liability will be imported across the border from England and Wales.

    Thanks Fruitcake, the keeper does live in Scotland. Could you explain quickly why it is safe to ignore? Is it because Euro Parks is registered in England or something like that? 
    Because in Scotland ECP can only pursue the driver, and as the vehicle's registered keeper, you're not going to tell them who the driver was - are you? 🤫 🤐. Where ECP is based is irrelevant. 
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

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  • Fruitcake
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    edited 26 July 2023 at 4:44PM
    Keeper liability does not currently exist in Scotland. Only a driver can be held liable, and only if someone is daft enough to tell the PPC the driver's details.

    In England and Wales, a day to day keeper, a registered keeper, or hirer can be held liable in certain circumstances as well as the driver. 

    Keeper/hirer liability will be introduced in Scotland in the near future thanks to your former Dear Leader who decided to import the laws of England and Wales into Scotland despite spouting off that she wanted independence. This means that someone who was not in the vehicle at the time of an alleged parking event can be held liable in certain circumstances.
    I married my cousin. I had to...
    I don't have a sister. :D
    All my screwdrivers are cordless.
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  • gmassie94
    gmassie94 Posts: 5 Forumite
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    Umkomaas said:
    gmassie94 said:
    Fruitcake said:
    As long as the registered keeper lives in Scotland, it is safe to ignore. Please note that this advice will change when the new Scottish Transport Bill is introduced within the next year when keeper liability will be imported across the border from England and Wales.

    Thanks Fruitcake, the keeper does live in Scotland. Could you explain quickly why it is safe to ignore? Is it because Euro Parks is registered in England or something like that? 
    Because in Scotland ECP can only pursue the driver, and as the vehicle's registered keeper, you're not going to tell them who the driver was - are you? 🤫 🤐. Where ECP is based is irrelevant. 
    Noted, there was cctv footage….should be fine!
  • Umkomaas
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    gmassie94 said:
    Umkomaas said:
    gmassie94 said:
    Fruitcake said:
    As long as the registered keeper lives in Scotland, it is safe to ignore. Please note that this advice will change when the new Scottish Transport Bill is introduced within the next year when keeper liability will be imported across the border from England and Wales.

    Thanks Fruitcake, the keeper does live in Scotland. Could you explain quickly why it is safe to ignore? Is it because Euro Parks is registered in England or something like that? 
    Because in Scotland ECP can only pursue the driver, and as the vehicle's registered keeper, you're not going to tell them who the driver was - are you? 🤫 🤐. Where ECP is based is irrelevant. 
    Noted, there was cctv footage….should be fine!
    I bet there wasn't!
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

    #Private Parking Firms - Killing the High Street
  • gmassie94
    gmassie94 Posts: 5 Forumite
    First Post
    Fruitcake said:
    Keeper liability does not currently exist in Scotland. Only a driver can be held liable, and only if someone is daft enough to tell the PPC the driver's details.

    In England and Wales, a day to day keeper, a registered keeper, or hirer can be held liable in certain circumstances as well as the driver. 

    Keeper/hirer liability will be introduced in Scotland in the near future thanks to your former Dear Leader who decided to import the laws of England and Wales into Scotland despite spouting off that she wanted independence. This means that someone who was not in the vehicle at the time of an alleged parking event can be held liable in certain circumstances.
    Well explained! As mentioned above only slight doubt is that there was cameras, but should be fine I’d say. Cheers
  • patient_dream
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    gmassie94 said:
    Fruitcake said:
    As long as the registered keeper lives in Scotland, it is safe to ignore. Please note that this advice will change when the new Scottish Transport Bill is introduced within the next year when keeper liability will be imported across the border from England and Wales.

    Thanks Fruitcake, the keeper does live in Scotland. Could you explain quickly why it is safe to ignore? Is it because Euro Parks is registered in England or something like that? 
    As said there is no liability for the keeper in Scotland, only the driver which of course you will never disclose. 

    This applies to all parking companies for the moment.  When the new law comes in, it cannot be backdated to your ticket . 

    Just ignore and you will no doubt  get a few debt recovery letters from powerless idiots who can do nothing, you ignore those as well

    These crazzies will add a fake amount to line their own pockets £60 - £70. The letters are full of verbal diarrhoea ... great for cat litter or a budgie cage
  • gmassie94
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    Umkomaas said:
    gmassie94 said:
    Umkomaas said:
    gmassie94 said:
    Fruitcake said:
    As long as the registered keeper lives in Scotland, it is safe to ignore. Please note that this advice will change when the new Scottish Transport Bill is introduced within the next year when keeper liability will be imported across the border from England and Wales.

    Thanks Fruitcake, the keeper does live in Scotland. Could you explain quickly why it is safe to ignore? Is it because Euro Parks is registered in England or something like that? 
    Because in Scotland ECP can only pursue the driver, and as the vehicle's registered keeper, you're not going to tell them who the driver was - are you? 🤫 🤐. Where ECP is based is irrelevant. 
    Noted, there was cctv footage….should be fine!
    I bet there wasn't!
    Ha! A couple of nice photos of the car arriving and leaving, but on the blurry side !
  • Grizebeck
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    gmassie94 said:
    Umkomaas said:
    gmassie94 said:
    Umkomaas said:
    gmassie94 said:
    Fruitcake said:
    As long as the registered keeper lives in Scotland, it is safe to ignore. Please note that this advice will change when the new Scottish Transport Bill is introduced within the next year when keeper liability will be imported across the border from England and Wales.

    Thanks Fruitcake, the keeper does live in Scotland. Could you explain quickly why it is safe to ignore? Is it because Euro Parks is registered in England or something like that? 
    Because in Scotland ECP can only pursue the driver, and as the vehicle's registered keeper, you're not going to tell them who the driver was - are you? 🤫 🤐. Where ECP is based is irrelevant. 
    Noted, there was cctv footage….should be fine!
    I bet there wasn't!
    Ha! A couple of nice photos of the car arriving and leaving, but on the blurry side !
    Not cctv. Forget it
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