Spring parking PCN

rms22

Received a PCN in the post from Spring Parking (Bradgate Park's car park). Is it worth contesting or should I just pay it ? It arrived in the post well after the date the letter was posted, which is convenient for them I guess. 

KeithP

rms22 said:

Is it worth contesting or should I just pay it ?

With your previous experience of these issues, what do you think the answer might be?

Of course if you had given us some idea of what you allegedly did wrong, a more detailed response might be possible.

rms22

Sorry, have a lot on at the moment. Parked up at 8.30pm one evening, forgot to buy a ticket from one of the pay and display machines.

Its a countryside park so not retail/shopping centre car park etc.

Umkomaas

rms22 said:

Sorry, have a lot on at the moment. Parked up at 8.30pm one evening, forgot to buy a ticket from one of the pay and display machines.

It's a countryside park so not retail/shopping centre car park etc.

So have we!  Dozens of new cases, every day, of every week, of every month, ad nauseam ....  Unless we have the detail, then any response is just as speculative as the invoice you've just received. 

Coupon-mad

rms22 said:

Received a PCN in the post from Spring Parking (Bradgate Park's car park). Is it worth contesting or should I just pay it ? It arrived in the post well after the date the letter was posted, which is convenient for them I guess. 

Sounds like you should just appeal it as keeper, BUT try Plan A first.

Basically, do what the NEWBIES thread tells you to do as Plan A then Plan B.

rms22

The landowner won't do anything. I'm just re-reading the pcn... it doesn't state how long the vehicle was parked there for. 

It states the reason the pcn was issued as 'not displaying a valid pay and display ticket.'

There are two photos of the vehicle (windscreen and in front) 

There are no ANPR Cameras on site.

The car park and all signage is unlit and the time of the alleged incident is at dusk.

If the vehicle was only there for a couple of minutes a grace period would apply (?) and as there are no ANPR Cameras on site the PPC would not be able to prove how long the vehicle was there for.

A ticket wouldn't have been required to have been purchased.

Isn't that a slam dunk on its own if needed to appeal to popla?

Should I execute plan B then as is written in the newbies thread, or is it worth additionally including the aforementioned in the email to them?

Coupon-mad

Change the template appeal to suit.

rms22

Is this wording ok after the template wording;

As per the British Parking Association Code of Practice, a compulsory 5 minute cooling off period is stipulated in which a motorist can consider the terms and conditions and change their mind about parking.

Your evidence must include the duration of the alleged contravention.

Fruitcake

It's not a cooling off period. You need to read the BPA CoP and quote the relevant paragraph with which you believe the operator has failed to comply. It may be called a consideration period or grace period.

Is the NTK PoFA compliant? If not, that should be mentioned as well.

rms22

Fruitcake said:

It's not a cooling off period. You need to read the BPA CoP and quote the relevant paragraph with which you believe the operator has failed to comply. It may be called a consideration period or grace period.

Is the NTK PoFA compliant? If not, that should be mentioned as well.

Thanks, found the relevant paragraph. 

Appears it is not PoFA compliant as there is nothing about PoFA 2012 on the back of it.

The letter also starts along lines of (not exact wording) "We have issued a PCN to your vehicle because it was parked in a manner whereby the driver became liable for a pcn."

edit forget that there is mention of the PoFA on the front of it.

rms22

btw spoke to the landowner again today and was told it's strange for the parking operator to send out postal PCNs as she said they always attach windscreen pcns, so why they didn't this time I don't know.