4k tv advise

LightKnow

Hi all

currently have full Hd tv ( slowy going weird) for gaming but want to upgrade to 4k tv for performance and graphics but am struggling 

I been reading you need the following 120hz  , Hdr or Hdr10  etc 

There also information if you set game to 1080p on 4k tv you can get 120hz  but how does this impact graphics? 

Some tv have features that allow to enable 120 fresh rate for gaming or have blur reduction or motion clarity 

do they actually work??? 

Any advice please. I don’t know we’re to start or what to get 

my budget is between 200 to 600 BUT I can’t buy it right out , am considering using Currys with buy know pay later 

TadleyBaggie

I have a 55” Sony OLED (A80J) and I can my Xbox X to output 4K @ 120 Hz to it. It looks stunning. 

Neil_Jones

Why do you think you need 120Hz for 4k?

Does your graphics card support outputting 120Hz?

facade

I have a 4K Samsung.

All HDR seems to do is turn the backlight to eyeball searing and max out the contrast.

The BBC UHD feeds look stunning in 4k, but I think that is more a case of the 1080 feeds are such low quality and the UHD content is carefully selected, as I can't see a difference that I'm not imagining on 4K blu-ray vs 1080.

Although to be fair, most "4k" blu-ray is upscaled, which is what the TV does anyway!

I think 4k is a sales gimmick if you watch the TV at sofa distances.

RumRat

facade said:

I have a 4K Samsung.

All HDR seems to do is turn the backlight to eyeball searing and max out the contrast.

The BBC UHD feeds look stunning in 4k, but I think that is more a case of the 1080 feeds are such low quality and the UHD content is carefully selected, as I can't see a difference that I'm not imagining on 4K blu-ray vs 1080.

Although to be fair, most "4k" blu-ray is upscaled, which is what the TV does anyway!

I think 4k is a sales gimmick if you watch the TV at sofa distances.

That would depend on where your sofa is....If you are in the average lounge layout you may be right, but why pay for a really good TV then sit in the wrong position so that you can't benefit?

MattMattMattUK

TadleyBaggie said:

I have a 55” Sony OLED (A80J) and I can my Xbox X to output 4K @ 120 Hz to it. It looks stunning. 

I have the 65" A80J and it is a great TV, with the full HDMI 2.1 features turned on it works great with my PS5 or when I feed my PC to it to game on the sofa rather than at my desk. On either the PS5 or Series X, VRR makes a real difference and the use of 40FPS via the 120hz container on PS5 is great and I think it is something we will see MS push in the next year as well. I would also say that OLED makes a huge difference, the blacks being properly black improve things so much, as does colour preproduction. 

facade said:

I think 4k is a sales gimmick if you watch the TV at sofa distances.

At the same distance the difference between 1080p and 4k is hugely noticeable if there is a proper 4k or similar feed. There is a lot of substandard 4k content, just as there was (and still is) a lot of substandard HD content, especially with the cop out of much of it being low bitrate 720p. 

LightKnow

@MattMattMattUK

@TadleyBaggie


thanks for suggestion - is there any recommendations for 43 inch ? Or what should i look out for ?  When picking 4k

DullGreyGuy

facade said:

I think 4k is a sales gimmick if you watch the TV at sofa distances.

Depends on the size of your screen and the distance from it. With a 110" projector screen you can certainly tell the difference between 4k and 1080.

LightKnow said:

There also information if you set game to 1080p on 4k tv you can get 120hz  but how does this impact graphics? 

Some tv have features that allow to enable 120 fresh rate for gaming or have blur reduction or motion clarity 

do they actually work??? 

Any advice please. I don’t know we’re to start or what to get 

Both games consoles and TVs have finite processing power/bandwidth. With the top end you can get 120hz on 4k (or 8k for that matter) but many will offer 120hz on 1080 but 60hz on 4k as they cannot deal with the amount of data. Resolution impacts how good the graphics look, refresh rate impacts the smoothness of motion.

Ultimately a screen is limited by the quality of the source. No matter the claims of snake oil a screen cannot materially make up extra detail or smoother motion than what the source gives them. If a source gives 30 FPS and the TV refreshes at 120Hz then either it shows the same frame 4 times or it averages the current and the next frame and creates a smearing effect.

How far are you sitting away from your screen? What resolution is of benefit depends on a combination of screen size and distance. I use a 5k monitor for computer/gaming but obviously sit 0.5cm from it so benefit from it. If I sat 4m away from it, as I do our TV, there'd be no benefit over a 1080 screen. On the flip side our projector is 110" and would need to be a very long way away not to get the benefit... indeed it'd benefit an 8k projector (if there was any material in the UK to use on it) but I dont have enough kidneys to sell to afford such a projector.

LightKnow

DullGreyGuy said:

facade said:

I think 4k is a sales gimmick if you watch the TV at sofa distances.

Depends on the size of your screen and the distance from it. With a 110" projector screen you can certainly tell the difference between 4k and 1080.

LightKnow said:

There also information if you set game to 1080p on 4k tv you can get 120hz  but how does this impact graphics? 

Some tv have features that allow to enable 120 fresh rate for gaming or have blur reduction or motion clarity 

do they actually work??? 

Any advice please. I don’t know we’re to start or what to get 

Both games consoles and TVs have finite processing power/bandwidth. With the top end you can get 120hz on 4k (or 8k for that matter) but many will offer 120hz on 1080 but 60hz on 4k as they cannot deal with the amount of data. Resolution impacts how good the graphics look, refresh rate impacts the smoothness of motion.

Ultimately a screen is limited by the quality of the source. No matter the claims of snake oil a screen cannot materially make up extra detail or smoother motion than what the source gives them. If a source gives 30 FPS and the TV refreshes at 120Hz then either it shows the same frame 4 times or it averages the current and the next frame and creates a smearing effect.

How far are you sitting away from your screen? What resolution is of benefit depends on a combination of screen size and distance. I use a 5k monitor for computer/gaming but obviously sit 0.5cm from it so benefit from it. If I sat 4m away from it, as I do our TV, there'd be no benefit over a 1080 screen. On the flip side our projector is 110" and would need to be a very long way away not to get the benefit... indeed it'd benefit an 8k projector (if there was any material in the UK to use on it) but I dont have enough kidneys to sell to afford such a projector.

I sit 8 to 9 feet away from tv - 43 inch best for were am putting tv 

I don’t get why how far you sit matters 


If tv quality shows finer details, better colour etc - even a fairly good range you see it being better than another 


From what I read so far online and here has give me more insight 

RumRat

LightKnow said:

DullGreyGuy said:

facade said:

I think 4k is a sales gimmick if you watch the TV at sofa distances.

Depends on the size of your screen and the distance from it. With a 110" projector screen you can certainly tell the difference between 4k and 1080.

LightKnow said:

There also information if you set game to 1080p on 4k tv you can get 120hz  but how does this impact graphics? 

Some tv have features that allow to enable 120 fresh rate for gaming or have blur reduction or motion clarity 

do they actually work??? 

Any advice please. I don’t know we’re to start or what to get 

Both games consoles and TVs have finite processing power/bandwidth. With the top end you can get 120hz on 4k (or 8k for that matter) but many will offer 120hz on 1080 but 60hz on 4k as they cannot deal with the amount of data. Resolution impacts how good the graphics look, refresh rate impacts the smoothness of motion.

Ultimately a screen is limited by the quality of the source. No matter the claims of snake oil a screen cannot materially make up extra detail or smoother motion than what the source gives them. If a source gives 30 FPS and the TV refreshes at 120Hz then either it shows the same frame 4 times or it averages the current and the next frame and creates a smearing effect.

How far are you sitting away from your screen? What resolution is of benefit depends on a combination of screen size and distance. I use a 5k monitor for computer/gaming but obviously sit 0.5cm from it so benefit from it. If I sat 4m away from it, as I do our TV, there'd be no benefit over a 1080 screen. On the flip side our projector is 110" and would need to be a very long way away not to get the benefit... indeed it'd benefit an 8k projector (if there was any material in the UK to use on it) but I dont have enough kidneys to sell to afford such a projector.

I sit 8 to 9 feet away from tv - 43 inch best for were am putting tv 

I don’t get why how far you sit matters 


If tv quality shows finer details, better colour etc - even a fairly good range you see it being better than another 


From what I read so far online and here has give me more insight 

9 feet from a 43" you would only notice a difference if you were really looking for it. Distance from the TV is crucial to get the best out of it when it comes to 4K.
The argument is mute anyway as it's almost impossible to buy a good tv that isn't 4K.

PHK

RumRat said:

facade said:

I have a 4K Samsung.

All HDR seems to do is turn the backlight to eyeball searing and max out the contrast.

The BBC UHD feeds look stunning in 4k, but I think that is more a case of the 1080 feeds are such low quality and the UHD content is carefully selected, as I can't see a difference that I'm not imagining on 4K blu-ray vs 1080.

Although to be fair, most "4k" blu-ray is upscaled, which is what the TV does anyway!

I think 4k is a sales gimmick if you watch the TV at sofa distances.

That would depend on where your sofa is....If you are in the average lounge layout you may be right, but why pay for a really good TV then sit in the wrong position so that you can't benefit?

I'm never surprised anymore. People seem to mount their TV too high up and have their furniture pushed against a wall because it's too big for the room.