Buying home electronics

molerat

robatwork said:

MattMattMattUK said:

moneysaver1978 said:

For the first time in many years, I am now looking to buy a few things like fridge/freezer, TV, etc. for our new house.

I was surprised to see so many with poor energy rating and I haven't seen anything above D. I seem to remember my TV had an energy rating of A+ - what happened? New tech requiring higher power input or regulations around rating changed?

Energy efficiency ratings were revised as almost everything on the market ended up as A+++. A current rating of D is equivalent to a previous A+++, there are currently no A or B rated appliances on the market and very few C rated, most are D-G. This is to allow for future innovation that lowers energy consumption, rather than them having to keep adding plus symbols to A. 

Was in Argos today and noticed an LG OLED TV on the wall. Energy rating G - right at the bottom. Bit surprised as this is a current model.

https://www.coolblue.nl/en/advice/what-is-the-energy-label-of-your-television.html

The energy label of a television indicates how sustainable the TV is on a scale from A to G. The closer the label is to A, the more energy-efficient the television is. An energy-efficient TV is more affordable in use, because you pay less electricity costs. Due to the stricter laws from the European Union, TVs get a low energy label at the moment. That way, there's room to make TVs more energy efficient.

So it is all a load of ********

One way to save energy would be to not put 2 energy efficiency labels in each product, identical apart from the EU and UK flags in the corner

Rodders53

robatwork said:

Was in Argos today and noticed an LG OLED TV on the wall. Energy rating G - right at the bottom. Bit surprised as this is a current model.

OLED has brighter peak light output than LED with better blacks, so uses more energy.
My new 65 inch OLED is a G (112 kWh/1000 hours in standard dynamic range and 169 kWh/1000 in High dynamic range).
An same size LED from the same maker would be E rated (85 kWh/1000 and 149 kWh/1000).

Compared to my 2013 model year Plasma 50 inch at an average of 184 Watts (SDR) = 184 kWh/1000 it is still more energy efficient and has a cracking picture. I have an even older 2009 50 inch plasma that has an average energy use of 280 Watts.

The rated peak energy input on all sets is higher, of course, than the average figures quoted.

jon81uk

molerat said:

robatwork said:

MattMattMattUK said:

moneysaver1978 said:

For the first time in many years, I am now looking to buy a few things like fridge/freezer, TV, etc. for our new house.

I was surprised to see so many with poor energy rating and I haven't seen anything above D. I seem to remember my TV had an energy rating of A+ - what happened? New tech requiring higher power input or regulations around rating changed?

Energy efficiency ratings were revised as almost everything on the market ended up as A+++. A current rating of D is equivalent to a previous A+++, there are currently no A or B rated appliances on the market and very few C rated, most are D-G. This is to allow for future innovation that lowers energy consumption, rather than them having to keep adding plus symbols to A. 

Was in Argos today and noticed an LG OLED TV on the wall. Energy rating G - right at the bottom. Bit surprised as this is a current model.

https://www.coolblue.nl/en/advice/what-is-the-energy-label-of-your-television.html

The energy label of a television indicates how sustainable the TV is on a scale from A to G. The closer the label is to A, the more energy-efficient the television is. An energy-efficient TV is more affordable in use, because you pay less electricity costs. Due to the stricter laws from the European Union, TVs get a low energy label at the moment. That way, there's room to make TVs more energy efficient.

So it is all a load of ********

One way to save energy would be to not put 2 energy efficiency labels in each product, identical apart from the EU and UK flags in the corner

Well if we hadn’t done Brexit then the EU label would cover both.

pushpull

jon81uk said:

molerat said:

robatwork said:

MattMattMattUK said:

moneysaver1978 said:

For the first time in many years, I am now looking to buy a few things like fridge/freezer, TV, etc. for our new house.

I was surprised to see so many with poor energy rating and I haven't seen anything above D. I seem to remember my TV had an energy rating of A+ - what happened? New tech requiring higher power input or regulations around rating changed?

Energy efficiency ratings were revised as almost everything on the market ended up as A+++. A current rating of D is equivalent to a previous A+++, there are currently no A or B rated appliances on the market and very few C rated, most are D-G. This is to allow for future innovation that lowers energy consumption, rather than them having to keep adding plus symbols to A. 

Was in Argos today and noticed an LG OLED TV on the wall. Energy rating G - right at the bottom. Bit surprised as this is a current model.

The energy label of a television indicates how sustainable the TV is on a scale from A to G. The closer the label is to A, the more energy-efficient the television is. An energy-efficient TV is more affordable in use, because you pay less electricity costs. Due to the stricter laws from the European Union, TVs get a low energy label at the moment. That way, there's room to make TVs more energy efficient.

So it is all a load of ********

One way to save energy would be to not put 2 energy efficiency labels in each product, identical apart from the EU and UK flags in the corner

Well if we hadn’t done Brexit then the EU label would cover both.

Or manufacturercould just put the British one on products destined for Britain.

tightauldgit

pushpull said:

jon81uk said:

molerat said:

robatwork said:

MattMattMattUK said:

moneysaver1978 said:

For the first time in many years, I am now looking to buy a few things like fridge/freezer, TV, etc. for our new house.

I was surprised to see so many with poor energy rating and I haven't seen anything above D. I seem to remember my TV had an energy rating of A+ - what happened? New tech requiring higher power input or regulations around rating changed?

Energy efficiency ratings were revised as almost everything on the market ended up as A+++. A current rating of D is equivalent to a previous A+++, there are currently no A or B rated appliances on the market and very few C rated, most are D-G. This is to allow for future innovation that lowers energy consumption, rather than them having to keep adding plus symbols to A. 

Was in Argos today and noticed an LG OLED TV on the wall. Energy rating G - right at the bottom. Bit surprised as this is a current model.

The energy label of a television indicates how sustainable the TV is on a scale from A to G. The closer the label is to A, the more energy-efficient the television is. An energy-efficient TV is more affordable in use, because you pay less electricity costs. Due to the stricter laws from the European Union, TVs get a low energy label at the moment. That way, there's room to make TVs more energy efficient.

So it is all a load of ********

One way to save energy would be to not put 2 energy efficiency labels in each product, identical apart from the EU and UK flags in the corner

Well if we hadn’t done Brexit then the EU label would cover both.

Or manufacturercould just put the British one on products destined for Britain.

Indeed because as we all know standard issue flat-screen TV's from the other side of the world are all built to order and the manufacturer definitely knows where it will end up. 

Exodi

MattMattMattUK said:

moneysaver1978 said:

For the first time in many years, I am now looking to buy a few things like fridge/freezer, TV, etc. for our new house.

I was surprised to see so many with poor energy rating and I haven't seen anything above D. I seem to remember my TV had an energy rating of A+ - what happened? New tech requiring higher power input or regulations around rating changed?

Energy efficiency ratings were revised as almost everything on the market ended up as A+++. A current rating of D is equivalent to a previous A+++, there are currently no A or B rated appliances on the market and very few C rated, most are D-G. This is to allow for future innovation that lowers energy consumption, rather than them having to keep adding plus symbols to A. 

Seems everyday's a school day!

Almost stupidly after reading the OP I thought "well all my stuff is A+++", read your comment, look up my appliances and behold they're now all D's.

Really useful to know for when I next go appliance shopping, suprised I haven't seen this communicated. Lucky I saw this as I may have thought "Eurgh, I'm not upgrading my fridge to this 'ULTRA EFFICIENT 2023 MODEL' it has a C rating whereas mine at home is A+++!"

DullGreyGuy

Exodi said:
Lucky I saw this as I may have thought "Eurgh, I'm not upgrading my fridge to this 'ULTRA EFFICIENT 2023 MODEL' it has a C rating whereas mine at home is A+++!"

Hopefully you'd have gone thought what the hell? and done a bit of digging and then found out that its been rescaled. 

Had a similar moment when replacing our dishwasher but I think at that time you had retailers still transitioning and so newer items were on the new scale and old items on the old scale which resulted in some head scratching as to why all the new models were worse when looking at energy consumption numbers they were much better.

SaverRate

powerful_Rogue said:

SaverRate said:

MattMattMattUK said:

HillStreetBlues said:

mark_cycling00 said:

A heat pump tumble dryer is almost same price as a normal one but is supposed to use 40% less electricity

Had a quick look on Argos, the cheapest heat pump is 50% more than a condenser, and over twice the price of a vented one.

On John Lewis the cheapest heat pump tumble dryer is £429, vs £329 for a condenser, though, like for like on comparable models it does seem that the prices are roughly the same. Based on the standardised energy usage figures the heat pump model uses half the energy, an estimated saving of 308kWh pa, approximately £94 pa, so break even within a year based on the standardised usage, though actual mileage may vary based on individual's usage patterns. 

A heat pump requires a heated room though, which if its not will make it less efficient. For example, We keep our tumble drier (condenser) in our conservatory so a heat pump wouldn't work in there

My heat pump tumble dryer has been in the garage since I got it in October. No issues with that at all.

What brand do u have please as id be interested in this.