Intelligent Octopus - Day Rate Price Reduction from 1st July

QrizB

Scot_39 said:

MWT said:

JohnPo said:

With the guaranteed 6 hours at 7.5p (11.30 to 5.30) this really is a good deal if you load shift and OK even if you can't.

I attach a screenshot from the pdf attachment showing the rates.

So need a compatible EV, or any EV with a compatible EVSE, but yes, it is a great choice for those with NSH and an EV for example as the 6 hours overnight should give enough time for the NSH in winter...

Would it even work with older NSH - those that currently rely on ACLS meter switched circuits to activate ?

Yes, if you have a suitable EV/EVSE and joined this tariff you could use it with NSHs.

It's possible (I don't recall anyone checking) that Intelligent Octopus switches the ALCS.

Scot_39 said:

Yes I guess you might be able to fit spur timers etc that some have on HW immersion (but not heard anyone confirm they have done so) - or upgrade to programmable heaters at a cost of £1000s.

It would be simpler to replicate the 1970s arrangement wit a single time switch and a 100A contactor between the meter and the E7 consumer unit. Perhaps £100 for parts, plus labour to fit (if you're not competent to DIY).

MWT

Scot_39 said:

MWT said:

JohnPo said:

With the guaranteed 6 hours at 7.5p (11.30 to 5.30) this really is a good deal if you load shift and OK even if you can't.

I attach a screenshot from the pdf attachment showing the rates.

So need a compatible EV, or any EV with a compatible EVSE, but yes, it is a great choice for those with NSH and an EV for example as the 6 hours overnight should give enough time for the NSH in winter...

Would it even work with older NSH - those that currently rely on ACLS meter switched circuits to activate ?

I have seen Octopus being willing to set the ALCS to match the off-peak times on IO, on request.

MWT

JohnPo said:

I do not disagree at all with how you interpretation of the 'fair use' rules. The counter argument is that the Octopus App 'Intelligently' chooses the charging hours, so if they have a 'fair use' policy, the app should allocate the hours accordingly.  I can't see how if they tried to retrospectively apply this particular rule on a particular bill that a complaint that went to the ombudsman would be upheld in their favour. 

I wouldn't see a problem getting it upheld, it is clear enough in the contract and it is up to the customer to stay inside the fair use policy if they wish to avoid that possible outcome. If it requires too many hours to do what the customer asks for the customer can alter their request.

Anything is possible of course, the Ombudsman decisions can be unusual at times, but they will generally go with the terms of the contract as long as the terms are clear.

It is an academic debate of course until such time as they decide to use it...

Scot_39

QrizB said:

Scot_39 said:

MWT said:

JohnPo said:

With the guaranteed 6 hours at 7.5p (11.30 to 5.30) this really is a good deal if you load shift and OK even if you can't.

I attach a screenshot from the pdf attachment showing the rates.

So need a compatible EV, or any EV with a compatible EVSE, but yes, it is a great choice for those with NSH and an EV for example as the 6 hours overnight should give enough time for the NSH in winter...

Would it even work with older NSH - those that currently rely on ACLS meter switched circuits to activate ?

Yes, if you have a suitable EV/EVSE and joined this tariff you could use it with NSHs.

It's possible (I don't recall anyone checking) that Intelligent Octopus switches the ALCS.

Scot_39 said:

Yes I guess you might be able to fit spur timers etc that some have on HW immersion (but not heard anyone confirm they have done so) - or upgrade to programmable heaters at a cost of £1000s.

It would be simpler to replicate the 1970s arrangement wit a single time switch and a 100A contactor between the meter and the E7 consumer unit. Perhaps £100 for parts, plus labour to fit (if you're not competent to DIY).

I did wonder about that.

Because I do have such a 100A contactor already - currently controlled by a 4 port smart meter (rather than a 5 port with on board ALCS).

I had it in my alt work list - and then thought - well maybe not - as not sure can tinker in the meter cabinet etc. - I believe that - like the meter belongs to supplier - but suppose could have an electrician fit another in the CU cupboard etc

QrizB

Scot_39 said:

Because I do have such a 100A contactor already - currently controlled by a 4 port smart meter (rather than a 5 port with on board ALCS).

I had it in my alt work list - and then thought - well maybe not - as not sure can tinker in the meter cabinet etc. - I believe that - like the meter belongs to supplier - but suppose could have an electrician fit another in the CU cupboard etc

The meter belongs to the supplier but ISTR everything after it belongs to you, the hoiseholder.
MWT has confirmed that Octopus can set the ALCS to Intelligent hours, so you shouldn't have to do anything.