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Outdated electrics??
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Well aware of what is inside a consumer unit. If there is an unused MCB, an isolator may nor be required. But if a secondary CU is needed, one can not just pull the fuse. Your average electrician is not authorised to do so, and wouldn't be equipped to fit new seals. In addition, it still leaves the neutral "hot", so the electrical installation is not fully isolated.dil1976 said:
You do realise virtually all distribution boards have a main switch which acts as a isolator which would comply with that requirement. Even pulling the main fuse can deemed to be an isolator so again that complies, so no requirement for further isolators to be fitted anywhere for a EV charger.FreeBear said:Risteard said:FreeBear said:
an isolator ... is needed if you ever get an electric vehicle charging point.silvercar said: It shouldn't take much persuasion for the supplier to swap the meter out for a smart meter, at which point they may notify the DNO that the Siemens unit needs looking at (I haven't got a clue, but the brown gunky stuff doesn't look too good).
No it isn't.SSE, Eon, and others would disagree. Whilst an isolator may not be a requirement in N.I. it is "best practice" in the rest of the UK and helps to keep the electrician safe whilst installing an EV charging point.
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Of course an electrician can cut the seals and pull the fuse, the supply companies would not get successful prosecution for such instances if you can prove you did it to work safely. Have you ever seen a successful prosecution for just pulling the fuse?FreeBear said:
Well aware of what is inside a consumer unit. If there is an unused MCB, an isolator may nor be required. But if a secondary CU is needed, one can not just pull the fuse. Your average electrician is not authorised to do so, and wouldn't be equipped to fit new seals. In addition, it still leaves the neutral "hot", so the electrical installation is not fully isolated.dil1976 said:
You do realise virtually all distribution boards have a main switch which acts as a isolator which would comply with that requirement. Even pulling the main fuse can deemed to be an isolator so again that complies, so no requirement for further isolators to be fitted anywhere for a EV charger.FreeBear said:Risteard said:FreeBear said:
an isolator ... is needed if you ever get an electric vehicle charging point.silvercar said: It shouldn't take much persuasion for the supplier to swap the meter out for a smart meter, at which point they may notify the DNO that the Siemens unit needs looking at (I haven't got a clue, but the brown gunky stuff doesn't look too good).
No it isn't.SSE, Eon, and others would disagree. Whilst an isolator may not be a requirement in N.I. it is "best practice" in the rest of the UK and helps to keep the electrician safe whilst installing an EV charging point.
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Electricians have a crimping kit themselves in my exprience. The meter company guys either say nothing or just grumble if they notice seals have been changed. Note : The meter itself has not been tampered with or unsealed!If they ask the householder then some people might say it was like that when I bought the place, they might say an electrician did it but I can't remember his details or just say they have no idea.I have renovated a few properties and the seals have often been removed by an unknown person and it's never led to any agro whatsoever. I would never drop the electrician in it, they are working for me!!Mr Generous - Landlord for more than 10 years. Generous? - Possibly but sarcastic more likely.0
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Rubbish. It's illegal. The correct way is to arrange for temporary disconnection or for an isolator to be fitted.dil1976 said:
Of course an electrician can cut the seals and pull the fuse, the supply companies would not get successful prosecution for such instances if you can prove you did it to work safely. Have you ever seen a successful prosecution for just pulling the fuse?FreeBear said:
Well aware of what is inside a consumer unit. If there is an unused MCB, an isolator may nor be required. But if a secondary CU is needed, one can not just pull the fuse. Your average electrician is not authorised to do so, and wouldn't be equipped to fit new seals. In addition, it still leaves the neutral "hot", so the electrical installation is not fully isolated.dil1976 said:
You do realise virtually all distribution boards have a main switch which acts as a isolator which would comply with that requirement. Even pulling the main fuse can deemed to be an isolator so again that complies, so no requirement for further isolators to be fitted anywhere for a EV charger.FreeBear said:Risteard said:FreeBear said:
an isolator ... is needed if you ever get an electric vehicle charging point.silvercar said: It shouldn't take much persuasion for the supplier to swap the meter out for a smart meter, at which point they may notify the DNO that the Siemens unit needs looking at (I haven't got a clue, but the brown gunky stuff doesn't look too good).
No it isn't.SSE, Eon, and others would disagree. Whilst an isolator may not be a requirement in N.I. it is "best practice" in the rest of the UK and helps to keep the electrician safe whilst installing an EV charging point.
The ESB (the DSO in the south of Ireland) have never tolerated this practice and will fine you at least €1,000 if you do it.0 -
This board is discussing UK issues not international onesRisteard said:
Rubbish. It's illegal. The correct way is to arrange for temporary disconnection or for an isolator to be fitted.dil1976 said:
Of course an electrician can cut the seals and pull the fuse, the supply companies would not get successful prosecution for such instances if you can prove you did it to work safely. Have you ever seen a successful prosecution for just pulling the fuse?FreeBear said:
Well aware of what is inside a consumer unit. If there is an unused MCB, an isolator may nor be required. But if a secondary CU is needed, one can not just pull the fuse. Your average electrician is not authorised to do so, and wouldn't be equipped to fit new seals. In addition, it still leaves the neutral "hot", so the electrical installation is not fully isolated.dil1976 said:
You do realise virtually all distribution boards have a main switch which acts as a isolator which would comply with that requirement. Even pulling the main fuse can deemed to be an isolator so again that complies, so no requirement for further isolators to be fitted anywhere for a EV charger.FreeBear said:Risteard said:FreeBear said:
an isolator ... is needed if you ever get an electric vehicle charging point.silvercar said: It shouldn't take much persuasion for the supplier to swap the meter out for a smart meter, at which point they may notify the DNO that the Siemens unit needs looking at (I haven't got a clue, but the brown gunky stuff doesn't look too good).
No it isn't.SSE, Eon, and others would disagree. Whilst an isolator may not be a requirement in N.I. it is "best practice" in the rest of the UK and helps to keep the electrician safe whilst installing an EV charging point.
The ESB (the DSO in the south of Ireland) have never tolerated this practice and will fine you at least €1,000 if you do it.0 -
It's illegal in the UK too.dil1976 said:
This board is discussing UK issues not international onesRisteard said:
Rubbish. It's illegal. The correct way is to arrange for temporary disconnection or for an isolator to be fitted.dil1976 said:
Of course an electrician can cut the seals and pull the fuse, the supply companies would not get successful prosecution for such instances if you can prove you did it to work safely. Have you ever seen a successful prosecution for just pulling the fuse?FreeBear said:
Well aware of what is inside a consumer unit. If there is an unused MCB, an isolator may nor be required. But if a secondary CU is needed, one can not just pull the fuse. Your average electrician is not authorised to do so, and wouldn't be equipped to fit new seals. In addition, it still leaves the neutral "hot", so the electrical installation is not fully isolated.dil1976 said:
You do realise virtually all distribution boards have a main switch which acts as a isolator which would comply with that requirement. Even pulling the main fuse can deemed to be an isolator so again that complies, so no requirement for further isolators to be fitted anywhere for a EV charger.FreeBear said:Risteard said:FreeBear said:
an isolator ... is needed if you ever get an electric vehicle charging point.silvercar said: It shouldn't take much persuasion for the supplier to swap the meter out for a smart meter, at which point they may notify the DNO that the Siemens unit needs looking at (I haven't got a clue, but the brown gunky stuff doesn't look too good).
No it isn't.SSE, Eon, and others would disagree. Whilst an isolator may not be a requirement in N.I. it is "best practice" in the rest of the UK and helps to keep the electrician safe whilst installing an EV charging point.
The ESB (the DSO in the south of Ireland) have never tolerated this practice and will fine you at least €1,000 if you do it.0 -
Risteard said:
It's illegal in the UK too.dil1976 said:
This board is discussing UK issues not international onesRisteard said:
Rubbish. It's illegal. The correct way is to arrange for temporary disconnection or for an isolator to be fitted.dil1976 said:
Of course an electrician can cut the seals and pull the fuse, the supply companies would not get successful prosecution for such instances if you can prove you did it to work safely. Have you ever seen a successful prosecution for just pulling the fuse?FreeBear said:
Well aware of what is inside a consumer unit. If there is an unused MCB, an isolator may nor be required. But if a secondary CU is needed, one can not just pull the fuse. Your average electrician is not authorised to do so, and wouldn't be equipped to fit new seals. In addition, it still leaves the neutral "hot", so the electrical installation is not fully isolated.dil1976 said:
You do realise virtually all distribution boards have a main switch which acts as a isolator which would comply with that requirement. Even pulling the main fuse can deemed to be an isolator so again that complies, so no requirement for further isolators to be fitted anywhere for a EV charger.FreeBear said:Risteard said:FreeBear said:
an isolator ... is needed if you ever get an electric vehicle charging point.silvercar said: It shouldn't take much persuasion for the supplier to swap the meter out for a smart meter, at which point they may notify the DNO that the Siemens unit needs looking at (I haven't got a clue, but the brown gunky stuff doesn't look too good).
No it isn't.SSE, Eon, and others would disagree. Whilst an isolator may not be a requirement in N.I. it is "best practice" in the rest of the UK and helps to keep the electrician safe whilst installing an EV charging point.
The ESB (the DSO in the south of Ireland) have never tolerated this practice and will fine you at least €1,000 if you do it.
It is, but that doesn't mean that anyone ever gets prosecuted for it.
If it sticks, force it.
If it breaks, well it wasn't working right anyway.0 -
Blowing the main fuse isn't illegal though.Ectophile said:Risteard said:
It's illegal in the UK too.dil1976 said:
This board is discussing UK issues not international onesRisteard said:
Rubbish. It's illegal. The correct way is to arrange for temporary disconnection or for an isolator to be fitted.dil1976 said:
Of course an electrician can cut the seals and pull the fuse, the supply companies would not get successful prosecution for such instances if you can prove you did it to work safely. Have you ever seen a successful prosecution for just pulling the fuse?FreeBear said:
Well aware of what is inside a consumer unit. If there is an unused MCB, an isolator may nor be required. But if a secondary CU is needed, one can not just pull the fuse. Your average electrician is not authorised to do so, and wouldn't be equipped to fit new seals. In addition, it still leaves the neutral "hot", so the electrical installation is not fully isolated.dil1976 said:
You do realise virtually all distribution boards have a main switch which acts as a isolator which would comply with that requirement. Even pulling the main fuse can deemed to be an isolator so again that complies, so no requirement for further isolators to be fitted anywhere for a EV charger.FreeBear said:Risteard said:FreeBear said:
an isolator ... is needed if you ever get an electric vehicle charging point.silvercar said: It shouldn't take much persuasion for the supplier to swap the meter out for a smart meter, at which point they may notify the DNO that the Siemens unit needs looking at (I haven't got a clue, but the brown gunky stuff doesn't look too good).
No it isn't.SSE, Eon, and others would disagree. Whilst an isolator may not be a requirement in N.I. it is "best practice" in the rest of the UK and helps to keep the electrician safe whilst installing an EV charging point.
The ESB (the DSO in the south of Ireland) have never tolerated this practice and will fine you at least €1,000 if you do it.
It is, but that doesn't mean that anyone ever gets prosecuted for it.0
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