Electric Car Charging and parkingeye overstay at Lidl

Un0riginal

Hi All,

Just wanting to ask if there is anything special around parking charge notices when it comes to being plugged in and charging?  Total stay was for 1 hour 50, with 'allowed' stay being 1 hour 30. Also, a person who has a blue badge was in the car, if that makes any difference either. The only evidence they have provided is ANPR arrival and departure times with very poor picture quality.

Thank you. 

Umkomaas

What did the Lidl manager say when you complained about the crazy situation of the impossibility of fully charging an EV within the time limits set by Lidl before letting loose PE on Lidl customers and penalising them £100 by this trap. Ask the manager whether the time limits are set by Lidl or PE. You might want to ask that question in an email to the Lidl CEO.

Does the PE letter have a paragraph on the reverse side headed 'Protection of Freedoms Act'?

Coupon-mad

When you appeal, attach a copy of the receipt and blue badge, as the Newbies thread already says to add.

Un0riginal

Umkomaas said:

What did the Lidl manager say when you complained about the crazy situation of the impossibility of fully charging an EV within the time limits set by Lidl before letting loose PE on Lidl customers and penalising them £100 by this trap. Ask the manager whether the time limits are set by Lidl or PE. You might want to ask that question in an email to the Lidl CEO.

Does the PE letter have a paragraph on the reverse side headed 'Protection of Freedoms Act'?

The store it was at is 75 miles away, so I can't just nip in for a chat unfortunately. I will send that question to the Lidl CEO. 

PE letter does have the Protections of Freedoms Act paragraph, is that significant for anything, it just seems like bully talk in it. 

Un0riginal

Coupon-mad said:

When you appeal, attach a copy of the receipt and blue badge, as the Newbies thread already says to add.

There is no receipt unfortunately, I do have a £50 payment to pod point (EV charging brand), which is why I was wondering if there was anything special around charging a car. 

Fruitcake

Refuelling (charging) a vehicle is not parking and it's ridiculous for anyone to suggest that it is.
Have a look at Jopson v Homeguard, case number B9GF0A9E where the judge stated that loading and unloading is not parking. 

Complain to the CEO and/or the landowner if different, and your MP.

Coupon-mad

Then attach to your online appeal, a pic of that £50 receipt and the blue badge and suggest that the bay is sub-leased to PodPoint (not Lidl) and the car was charging and it took you longer to hook it up and sort out the machine due to your disability.  And there were no ParkingEye signs at that bay so the only contract applicable was with PodPoint.

Don't use the template appeal.

Which Lidl is this?

Maybe someone local can take a photo of the EV charge bays that proves there's no ParkingEye contractual sign in view from those bays.

Un0riginal

Coupon-mad said:

Then attach to your online appeal, a pic of that £50 receipt and the blue badge and suggest that the bay is sub-leased to PodPoint (not Lidl) and the car was charging and it took you longer to hook it up and sort out the machine due to your disability.  And there were no ParkingEye signs at that bay so the only contract applicable was with PodPoint.

Don't use the template appeal.

Which Lidl is this?

Maybe someone local can take a photo of the EV charge bays that proves there's no ParkingEye contractual sign in view from those bays.

Thank you. 

It's Lidl, Hempshaw Lane, Stockport. 

Looking at google maps there are no 'terms' signs anywhere near the pod point, just the 'Conrolled Parking' ones. https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.4025985,-2.1478909,3a,80y,166.86h,100.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suXRy_DgOKsHZbpYEr_Mdcw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu. But those images could be out of date. 

Do I still refuse to confirm who was driving at this point?

Un0riginal

Fruitcake said:

Refuelling (charging) a vehicle is not parking and it's ridiculous for anyone to suggest that it is.
Have a look at Jopson v Homeguard, case number B9GF0A9E where the judge stated that loading and unloading is not parking. 

Complain to the CEO and/or the landowner if different, and your MP.

Thank you, I am having a read through. 

Umkomaas

Un0riginal said:

Umkomaas said:

What did the Lidl manager say when you complained about the crazy situation of the impossibility of fully charging an EV within the time limits set by Lidl before letting loose PE on Lidl customers and penalising them £100 by this trap. Ask the manager whether the time limits are set by Lidl or PE. You might want to ask that question in an email to the Lidl CEO.

Does the PE letter have a paragraph on the reverse side headed 'Protection of Freedoms Act'?

PE letter does have the Protections of Freedoms Act paragraph, is that significant for anything, it just seems like bully talk in it. 

Sometimes PE, for whatever reason, don't pursue under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (Schedule 4), in which case, as long as the driver isn't identified, it can be an easy win for the keeper at POPLA. If you want to look up some of this, do a forum search on 'ParkingEye Golden Ticket', but unfortunately you haven't received one of those. Nonetheless, there's lots more to be going on with as per the advice from others above. 

Half_way

Is the charging area leased by the charge company, that is although in the car park it's not technically part of the car park, so when you enter the charger bay you are on the charge company's land and out of the land t that parking eye monitor?