Missed appeal timeline for ukcps

Umkomaas

finn28 said:

Coupon-mad said:

Absolutely NEVER EVER ring a "scammer" (MPs in 2018 said the whole industry was operating an 'outrageous scam', hence the law is about to change - with the public's help).

Thanks, retailer said to ring and explain that they’d ticketed me for land that they didn’t own so that I wasn’t being chased with debt collectors notices etc 

Even if you were (un)lucky enough to get through, the only result of your call would be to alert UKCPS that they had you worried, resulting in them marking you up for further pressure. 

The retailers 'advice' is just a fob-off to head you away from them. I'd certainly head myself away from them - literally. No more custom from you or your family. Write and tell them that. If you have an estimate of your annual spend with them, put that in your letter. Their refusal to help is going to cost them - can't they see the damage that UKCPS is causing their business?

Grizebeck

finn28 said:

Coupon-mad said:

Absolutely NEVER EVER ring a "scammer" (MPs in 2018 said the whole industry was operating an 'outrageous scam', hence the law is about to change - with the public's help).

Also just to add - your newbies thread says wait til day 26 to appeal - you might want to amend it slightly as I took that advice and it’s only on closer reading that ukcps only give 21 days to appeal so I’ve missed it 

You have read it wrong. And irrelevant as you would have been declined 

finn28

Grizebeck said:

finn28 said:

Coupon-mad said:

Absolutely NEVER EVER ring a "scammer" (MPs in 2018 said the whole industry was operating an 'outrageous scam', hence the law is about to change - with the public's help).

Thanks, retailer said to ring and explain that they’d ticketed me for land that they didn’t own so that I wasn’t being chased with debt collectors notices etc 

Wrong. You have already been given correct
Who cares about drp letters. No one on here does

I know you are being helpful however I am very obviously worried about it hence I wanted to double check, I don’t think there’s a need for such abruptness, thanks 

Grizebeck

finn28 said:

Grizebeck said:

finn28 said:

Coupon-mad said:

Absolutely NEVER EVER ring a "scammer" (MPs in 2018 said the whole industry was operating an 'outrageous scam', hence the law is about to change - with the public's help).

Thanks, retailer said to ring and explain that they’d ticketed me for land that they didn’t own so that I wasn’t being chased with debt collectors notices etc 

Wrong. You have already been given correct
Who cares about drp letters. No one on here does

I know you are being helpful however I am very obviously worried about it hence I wanted to double check, I don’t think there’s a need for such abruptness, thanks 

As you have read the newbies thread you will know these letters are harmless so there is no worry
Please going forward just follow this advice it will save you have to ask more questions which are already answered in there

finn28

Umkomaas said:

finn28 said:

Coupon-mad said:

Absolutely NEVER EVER ring a "scammer" (MPs in 2018 said the whole industry was operating an 'outrageous scam', hence the law is about to change - with the public's help).

Thanks, retailer said to ring and explain that they’d ticketed me for land that they didn’t own so that I wasn’t being chased with debt collectors notices etc 

Even if you were (un)lucky enough to get through, the only result of your call would be to alert UKCPS that they had you worried, resulting in them marking you up for further pressure. 

The retailers 'advice' is just a fob-off to head you away from them. I'd certainly head myself away from them - literally. No more custom from you or your family. Write and tell them that. If you have an estimate of your annual spend with them, put that in your letter. Their refusal to help is going to cost them - can't they see the damage that UKCPS is causing their business?

Thanks. I’ll definitely be making a formal complaint to the retailer - as I think many others will. The people who’s piece of land it is are being continually charged for it too and the retailer still says they can’t do anything 

Coupon-mad

finn28 said:

Coupon-mad said:

Absolutely NEVER EVER ring a "scammer" (MPs in 2018 said the whole industry was operating an 'outrageous scam', hence the law is about to change - with the public's help).

Also just to add - your newbies thread says wait til day 26 to appeal - you might want to amend it slightly as I took that advice and it’s only on closer reading that ukcps only give 21 days to appeal so I’ve missed it 

I checked and it doesn't:

In the case of CURRENT (NON-DVLA-BANNED) BRITISH PARKING ASSOCIATION (BPA) AOS MEMBERS ONLY, appeal online or by email at day 25 or 26 after a windscreen PCN but as the KEEPER, not driver, using the ''one size fits all'' blue appeal template below.

Q - ''But I want to appeal now! Why wait till day 26 before appealing a BPA member windscreen PCN?''

A - To tie them up in the appeals process at a time when they should also be posting a Notice to Keeper (NTK). Many PPCs in the BPA omit any NTK when replying to an appeal and the very fact a PPC forgets to send you a NTK by day 56, gives you a winning point at POPLA. Don't forget this tactic, and use it at POPLA stage: having appealed on day 25 or 26 after a windscreen PCN, make sure you take note of whether any postal NTK is ever received in the following weeks. A rejection letter with POPLA code is not a 'NTK'.

You must include 'no keeper liability' at POPLA stage if you do NOT receive a NTK at all in that time, and you will win as long as you make the missing NTK clear to POPLA.


IPC members are different:

In the case of CURRENT IPC AOS MEMBERS ONLY, we now advise to WAIT for a Notice to Keeper to arrive and then challenge once as the KEEPER, not driver, using the template appeal, as shown below.

Q -''Why wait for the 'NTK' to arrive a month later, after finding an IPC member windscreen PCN?'' 

A: Because there has been shown to be no appeal worth trying really, you will get a rejection anyway, so you may as well leave it and see if they issue a NTK and let them apply to the DVLA (unless yours is a company or lease car of course, in which case you MUST appeal at windscreen PCN stage as stated at the end of this thread).

finn28

Coupon-mad said:

finn28 said:

Coupon-mad said:

Absolutely NEVER EVER ring a "scammer" (MPs in 2018 said the whole industry was operating an 'outrageous scam', hence the law is about to change - with the public's help).

Also just to add - your newbies thread says wait til day 26 to appeal - you might want to amend it slightly as I took that advice and it’s only on closer reading that ukcps only give 21 days to appeal so I’ve missed it 

I checked and it doesn't:

In the case of CURRENT (NON-DVLA-BANNED) BRITISH PARKING ASSOCIATION (BPA) AOS MEMBERS ONLY, appeal online or by email at day 25 or 26 after a windscreen PCN but as the KEEPER, not driver, using the ''one size fits all'' blue appeal template below.

Q - ''But I want to appeal now! Why wait till day 26 before appealing a BPA member windscreen PCN?''

A - To tie them up in the appeals process at a time when they should also be posting a Notice to Keeper (NTK). Many PPCs in the BPA omit any NTK when replying to an appeal and the very fact a PPC forgets to send you a NTK by day 56, gives you a winning point at POPLA. Don't forget this tactic, and use it at POPLA stage: having appealed on day 25 or 26 after a windscreen PCN, make sure you take note of whether any postal NTK is ever received in the following weeks. A rejection letter with POPLA code is not a 'NTK'.

You must include 'no keeper liability' at POPLA stage if you do NOT receive a NTK at all in that time, and you will win as long as you make the missing NTK clear to POPLA.


IPC members are different:

In the case of CURRENT IPC AOS MEMBERS ONLY, we now advise to WAIT for a Notice to Keeper to arrive and then challenge once as the KEEPER, not driver, using the template appeal, as shown below.

Q -''Why wait for the 'NTK' to arrive a month later, after finding an IPC member windscreen PCN?'' 

A: Because there has been shown to be no appeal worth trying really, you will get a rejection anyway, so you may as well leave it and see if they issue a NTK and let them apply to the DVLA (unless yours is a company or lease car of course, in which case you MUST appeal at windscreen PCN stage as stated at the end of this thread).

Ah okay got you so because they are IPC I wait for NTK. Thank you 

Grizebeck

finn28 said:

Coupon-mad said:

finn28 said:

Coupon-mad said:

Absolutely NEVER EVER ring a "scammer" (MPs in 2018 said the whole industry was operating an 'outrageous scam', hence the law is about to change - with the public's help).

Also just to add - your newbies thread says wait til day 26 to appeal - you might want to amend it slightly as I took that advice and it’s only on closer reading that ukcps only give 21 days to appeal so I’ve missed it 

I checked and it doesn't:

In the case of CURRENT (NON-DVLA-BANNED) BRITISH PARKING ASSOCIATION (BPA) AOS MEMBERS ONLY, appeal online or by email at day 25 or 26 after a windscreen PCN but as the KEEPER, not driver, using the ''one size fits all'' blue appeal template below.

Q - ''But I want to appeal now! Why wait till day 26 before appealing a BPA member windscreen PCN?''

A - To tie them up in the appeals process at a time when they should also be posting a Notice to Keeper (NTK). Many PPCs in the BPA omit any NTK when replying to an appeal and the very fact a PPC forgets to send you a NTK by day 56, gives you a winning point at POPLA. Don't forget this tactic, and use it at POPLA stage: having appealed on day 25 or 26 after a windscreen PCN, make sure you take note of whether any postal NTK is ever received in the following weeks. A rejection letter with POPLA code is not a 'NTK'.

You must include 'no keeper liability' at POPLA stage if you do NOT receive a NTK at all in that time, and you will win as long as you make the missing NTK clear to POPLA.


IPC members are different:

In the case of CURRENT IPC AOS MEMBERS ONLY, we now advise to WAIT for a Notice to Keeper to arrive and then challenge once as the KEEPER, not driver, using the template appeal, as shown below.

Q -''Why wait for the 'NTK' to arrive a month later, after finding an IPC member windscreen PCN?'' 

A: Because there has been shown to be no appeal worth trying really, you will get a rejection anyway, so you may as well leave it and see if they issue a NTK and let them apply to the DVLA (unless yours is a company or lease car of course, in which case you MUST appeal at windscreen PCN stage as stated at the end of this thread).

Ah okay got you so because they are IPC I wait for NTK. Thank you 

Not relevant in your case.....

Coupon-mad

Too late for that now. That's what you should have done.

I was merely defending the NEWBIES advice, that I knew was correct.  I'd never have told people with an IPC PCN to wait then try to appeal AFTER day 21. That would never work! As you discovered.

finn28

Coupon-mad said:

Too late for that now. That's what you should have done.

I was merely defending the NEWBIES advice, that I knew was correct.  I'd never have told people with an IPC PCN to wait then try to appeal AFTER day 21. That would never work! As you discovered.

I apologise that the thread confused me. Not all well versed in different acronyms etc so it read as though I should wait