UKCPS - Back of Piccadilly CCTV

peterl00

Hello, apologies if any of this is repeated information. 

I am about to appeal a PCN. I missed two letters in a row so I am well outside the 14 / 28 day appeal zones. 

There is this line in the appeal "There will be no admissions as to who was driving and no assumptions can be drawn"

I may or may not be pictured on CCTV. So is there much point leaving this bit in? Or is simply to tie them up in having to prove things?

The signage around the entrance is not in the best place but it's also not in the worst. I think it could easily be argued that I should have seen it whilst I can also say it is easily missed. 

Additionally UKPCS only accept postal appeals. This is madness to me. The thread says don't bother with recorded delivery, but does not state why we ought to avoid this. 

It is criminal to be charging people so much for simple errors in a cost of living crisis. 

Boat_to_Bolivia

Even if they had captured you in CCTV, how on earth would they identify who you are? They are highly unlikely to belong to the PPC and they will have no access to any captured images.

So, to conclude, yes leave that in.

Where was this car park? What has the invoice been given for?

Have to tried Plan A which is to complain to the landowner and your MP about this speculative invoice.

Always try Plan A before appealing which you can do via email, you do not send it in the post.

If you search for the NEWBIES thread at the top of this forum, you will find information about Plan A and appealing this speculative invoice.

B789

peterl00 said:

Additionally UKPCS only accept postal appeals. This is madness to me. The thread says don't bother with recorded delivery, but does not state why we ought to avoid this. 

You need to have a closer look at their website at the teeny print near the bottom where there is a link that says "Appeals". This is what it says:

Appeals:

In the event that you wish to dispute liability for this Parking Charge, within 21 days (beginning with the day after that on which this notice is given, please provide your full name and address, vehicle registration number and the Parking Reference at the top of this Notice providing your full reasons. Appeals can be made to the address at the top of this Notice or online via ukcps.zatappeal.com

Appeal decisions should be provided within 28 days. In the event that your appeal is unsuccessful then we will provide you with the appropriate details enabling you to lodge an appeal to the Independent Appeals Service. Details of the appeal procedure can be found at www.theIAS.org.

The Independent Appeals Service (www.theIAS.org) provides an Alternative Dispute Resolution scheme for disputes of this type. We will engage with the IAS Standard Appeals Service providing you comply with our internal appeals procedure as detailed herein and that thereafter you lodge an appeal to the IAS within 21 days of rejection.

If you do appeal and do not hear from us within 28 days then please contact us, do not assume that your appeal has been successful.

So, you can appeal online and as @Boat_to_Bolivia says, include ALL the text in the template appeal. You are appealing as the Registered Keeper, not the Driver. Do not mess it up by changing anything or adding anything like "I parked..." or "I drove..." etc. It should always be "The driver parked..."

No one here advises using recorded delivery because the recipient could just refuse to accept it and all you would be left with is proof of non-delivery. You use the free Proof of Posting certificate from any post office. If you can prove you posted it, then it is "deemed" delivered the next or two business days later depending on what class of stamp you stick on it.

Grizebeck

To late to appeal
Ignore DRP

KeithP

peterl00 said:

The thread says don't bother with recorded delivery, but does not state why we ought to avoid this. 

Easily explained.

Never ever send anything to a parking company, their solicitors or debt collectors using any service that requires a signature.

All that does is give the intended recipient the opportunity to not sign and hence refuse delivery.

All you have then is proof of non-delivery. Not quite what you want.

If you want or need to use Royal Mail, then send it by standard first class post obtaining a free Certificate of Posting from the Post Office counter. The item is deemed delivered two working days later.

Keep that Certificate of Posting as proof.

Umkomaas

UKCPS haven't pursued a court claim in years. I don't think they'll be starting again any time soon, especially a Piccadilly stopping case. Search the forum using 'Piccadilly' as a keyword; you should find quite a number over the past couple of years. Check them out and you will see that none of those cases has gone any further.

baser999

Can I just ask, is it general policy on MSE to appeal every PCN? No one ever seems to assume that the PCN was properly served. Perhaps OP in this instance was at fault?

Boat_to_Bolivia

baser999 said:

Can I just ask, is it general policy on MSE to appeal every PCN? No one ever seems to assume that the PCN was properly served. Perhaps OP in this instance was at fault?

Yes, because this is an unregulated bunch of scamming thugs, who are just profiteering from issuing speculative parking invoices and the head honchos are living a life of riley because of it.

They have no interest in parking, they only want to make money out of unsuspecting victims who are frightened into paying with threats of powerless debt collectors and court action.

With all due respect, If you think that is right, then this forum is not the place for you.

KeithP

baser999 said:

Can I just ask, is it general policy on MSE to appeal every PCN? No one ever seems to assume that the PCN was properly served. Perhaps OP in this instance was at fault?

You seem to be suggesting that the £100 punishment for stopping to let a passenger leave the car is ok.

The costs of stopping momentarily is certainly no where near £100.
In other words, that £100 charge is a penalty - plain and simple.

Is there anything in English law that allows a private company to charge a penalty for anything?

baser999

KeithP said:

baser999 said:

Can I just ask, is it general policy on MSE to appeal every PCN? No one ever seems to assume that the PCN was properly served. Perhaps OP in this instance was at fault?

You seem to be suggesting that the £100 punishment for stopping to let a passenger leave the car is ok.

The costs of stopping momentarily is certainly no where near £100.
In other words, that £100 charge is a penalty - plain and simple.

Is there anything in English law that allows a private company to charge a penalty for anything?

I wasn’t saying that you were at fault. In fact I can’t see that there’s any mention in your initial post as to how you came to receive the PCN, you’ve simply headed ‘back of Piccadilly’. And no prior mention either to the amount of the charge until now. 

Regardless of whether you’re at fault or not, I agree that’s an outrageous amount, but perhaps not unexpected for Central London

Fruitcake

baser999 said:

KeithP said:

baser999 said:

Can I just ask, is it general policy on MSE to appeal every PCN? No one ever seems to assume that the PCN was properly served. Perhaps OP in this instance was at fault?

You seem to be suggesting that the £100 punishment for stopping to let a passenger leave the car is ok.

The costs of stopping momentarily is certainly no where near £100.
In other words, that £100 charge is a penalty - plain and simple.

Is there anything in English law that allows a private company to charge a penalty for anything?

I wasn’t saying that you were at fault. In fact I can’t see that there’s any mention in your initial post as to how you came to receive the PCN, you’ve simply headed ‘back of Piccadilly’. And no prior mention either to the amount of the charge until now. 

Regardless of whether you’re at fault or not, I agree that’s an outrageous amount, but perhaps not unexpected for Central London

I can say with a high degree of certainty that KeithP was not at fault since he did not open this thread. It was started by a completely different poster.