School Street zone consultation

eddddy

Brie said:

And besides how would one distinguish between your and some other random car?  What if you need a rental or have MiL staying to look after the kids?  

Generally with these types of schemes, residents have to register their car reg numbers with the council in advance to avoid getting fined.

If you're expecting a visitor, some council schemes allow you to register a visitor's reg number  (or a hire car reg number) for a particular day.

In that respect, it's no worse than having to register for a Residents Parking Permit (although you have to pay for that).

Brie said:

I didn't think council were allowed to use ANPR cameras.  

Councils definitely use ANPR cameras for all sorts of traffic enforcement. It's a good revenue generator for them:

Automatic number plate recognition cameras operated by police forces scanned 10.1billion vehicles last year - and the technology has been used by councils to generate fines worth almost £500million in half a decade, an investigation has revealed.

Link: https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-6805267/Councils-police-forces-using-ANPR-cameras-extensively.html

4justice2

Thank you for your replies!
Council is going to have an open evening at the school later in the week so hopefully I shall get more answers than the rather sparse details provided by the council. Seems every council has different rules on access or exemptions! 

TheJP

The road that i park on for the school run would welcome this scheme with open arms, some parents don't give 2 hoots as to where they park during drop off and pick up. I see terrible parking everyday, some have been challenged, the response 'oh its ok ill only be 5 minutes'. Watching frustrated people struggling to get their car off their drive to get to work annoys me. The good weathers here so ill be biking/scooting my kid to school, hopefully others will do the same. 

Delivery drivers will find a way, park round the corner and walk perhaps...

Indigo_and_Violet

We lived on a school street in London. It was occasionally ANPR enforced (they had mobile ones that spent a few weeks at each location). Exemptions were for resident's vehicles only: not delivery or tradespeople. You could apply for an exemption for someone else e.g. a moving van but you had to give 14 days notice. 
For us, it worked okay. We're in London so pretty densely populated. Our local Amazon/DPD drivers soon learnt the deal and either avoided our street during school times or put parcels in the the big bag and walked them round. You couldn't book a supermarket delivery for those times but we rarely got our shopping delivered. We always made clear to any tradespeople that they had to arrive before 8.30 or they would need to park and walk. One guy got really grumpy, but we could point to where we had told his HQ that was the deal. He went and sat in his van until he could drive round. We enjoyed living opposite the school and it was really lovely to see them all scooting/skipping into school.

rexmedorum

I'm also in the west midlands. We have such a scheme and ..... nobody takes any notice. The promissed enforcement has never materialised, so the situation is back to what it was before the scheme started. It all depends on whethere there will be any enforcement sadly.

4justice2

rexmedorum said:

I'm also in the west midlands. We have such a scheme and ..... nobody takes any notice. The promissed enforcement has never materialised, so the situation is back to what it was before the scheme started. It all depends on whethere there will be any enforcement sadly.

Interesting, I'm in Dudley Borough. Looks like they need to cover seven possible entrances to the two School Street Zones. Can't imagine them having enough traffic wardens or volunteers to cover those every day, so assuming they'll use some type of camera. What amuses me is the council is doing on this in six quiet residential streets, five of them cul-de-sacs. They are some of the least problem streets in the Borough. They're not doing anything at any of the busiest, most congested schools!

markin

Sounds like nightmare to me, and why 2 hrs rather than 10min either side of the peak.

Indigo_and_Violet

markin said:

Sounds like nightmare to me, and why 2 hrs rather than 10min either side of the peak.

Two hours would be an hour in the am and and hour in the pm so 8.15 - 9.15 and 3 - 4pm. Our borough always does it as whole hours. The borough next to us does 45 minutes (so 8.30 - 9.15 and 3 - 3.45). Our borough gets complaints that their closures are excessive. Next door gets complaints that it's too complicated to understand. No pleasing everybody. 

molerat

markin said:

Sounds like nightmare to me, and why 2 hrs rather than 10min either side of the peak.

It certainly is.  Like the Covid mask rules there are so many exceptions as to make it useless.

Taxis taking the kids to school - you know what taxi drivers are like !

Because it is a "pedestrianised" area you can obviously just walk into the street without looking.  The kids now pick up on this from the parents and assume you can do the same anywhere.

Stand-offs between parents and cars that, under the rules, have a legitimate right to drive there. Parents gather in a group in the middle of the road and threaten any drivers.

maman

rexmedorum said:

I'm also in the west midlands. We have such a scheme and ..... nobody takes any notice. The promissed enforcement has never materialised, so the situation is back to what it was before the scheme started. It all depends on whethere there will be any enforcement sadly.

We have school streets locally and, at the allotted times, metal barriers are stretched across the road to prevent any traffic entering. I don't know what happens about residents cars but I'm assuming as the barriers are managed by (I think) school staff every day, they'd soon get to know who the neighbours are.