PCN on my own private allocated car parking bay G

Mouse007

and PLEASE revisit this site a bit more often than after 9 days - it needs to become your daily to do

Thekisspainting

Fruitcake said:

Read your lease/AST/property rental/ownership agreement to see what it says about parking, parking restrictions, unregulated private parking companies, parking charge notices, paying parking charge notices, court, and your right to quiet enjoyment.
What it doesn't say is equally important.

Those are the Ts and Cs that apply to you and all other residents. It's called primacy of contract, and an unregulated private parking company that is not a party to your property rental agreement cannot vary, amend, or take away your existing rights.
To do so would be a derogation of grant. 
The PPC is not offering you anything that you don't already have, so there is no offer, there is nothing to consider, and therefore there can be no contract.
Neither you nor any other residents have a contract with this PPC no matter what they put on their signs. You need to aggressively complain to the landowner and the managing agents and your MP to get this harassment stopped.

No one seams to care, that these companies bully private ownership of the parking space. They go inte deaf hears and then sell the fine to debt recovery companies ... CPM never loses money! It's a abuse and bullying behaviour pattern. 

Once I didn't register on a pub, but was enough to prove I was there for them to cancel.

My Southern Housing that manages the site felt like was just fair for them to get me the fine and also said I need to display permit as per T&C ... probably they couldn't be asked to interfere or ask for the fine to be waived. 

It's just a scam system and bullying behaviour!

Thekisspainting

Coupon-mad said:

I will now probably, be taken to court and cannot afford any legal matters, so will contact Citizen Advise Bureau.

Please cancel that appointment.  The CAB are clueless about how to win against private parking firms.  We are not.

And please stop offering UKCPM money.

Thank you for your feedback. 

Boat_to_Bolivia

Thekisspainting said:

Fruitcake said:

Read your lease/AST/property rental/ownership agreement to see what it says about parking, parking restrictions, unregulated private parking companies, parking charge notices, paying parking charge notices, court, and your right to quiet enjoyment.
What it doesn't say is equally important.

Those are the Ts and Cs that apply to you and all other residents. It's called primacy of contract, and an unregulated private parking company that is not a party to your property rental agreement cannot vary, amend, or take away your existing rights.
To do so would be a derogation of grant. 
The PPC is not offering you anything that you don't already have, so there is no offer, there is nothing to consider, and therefore there can be no contract.
Neither you nor any other residents have a contract with this PPC no matter what they put on their signs. You need to aggressively complain to the landowner and the managing agents and your MP to get this harassment stopped.

No one seams to care, that these companies bully private ownership of the parking space. They go inte deaf hears and then sell the fine to debt recovery companies ... CPM never loses money! It's a abuse and bullying behaviour pattern. 

Once I didn't register on a pub, but was enough to prove I was there for them to cancel.

My Southern Housing that manages the site felt like was just fair for them to get me the fine and also said I need to display permit as per T&C ... probably they couldn't be asked to interfere or ask for the fine to be waived. 

It's just a scam system and bullying behaviour!

Yes that is exactly what it is.

That is why this board is here, to fight back. The knowledgeable and helpful people here really do care and are doing a flecking excellent job of putting these parasites back in the gutter where they belong.

Just follow all the advice given here and you can put another nail in the PPC coffin.

1505grandad

"It's just a scam system and bullying behaviour!"
And a very profitable scam it is too for the unregulated industry:-
https://www.racfoundation.org/media-centre/private-parking-on-course-to-be-billion-pound-industry
"Steve Gooding, director of the RAC Foundation, said:
“If only the rest of the economy was booming like the private parking sector, perhaps we’d all be feeling more prosperous.
“Private parking looks set to be a billion pound-a-year business, if it isn’t already, with demands for up to £100 a time being sent out to drivers at the rate of more than one every three seconds."

Mouse007

Thekisspainting said:

It's just a scam system and bullying behaviour!

Yup, don't go away, stay here - daily, every day, several times a day.

Half_way

The day thing about this whole parking industry is that people don't fight back enough.
Residential cases, double dips etc should see whoever appointed the parking company's facing some sort of action.

Farmers can not keep dangerous livestock in fields with public access such as footpaths and other public rights of way, why can supermarket managers/ management company managers etc  keep unregulated parking company's on land  with public access ?
 If those signing contracts with PPCs were held personally liable (as is possible under GDPR) or at least uncomfortable then you may find PPCs being unwelcome

Thekisspainting

Half_way said:

The day thing about this whole parking industry is that people don't fight back enough.
Residential cases, double dips etc should see whoever appointed the parking company's facing some sort of action.

Farmers can not keep dangerous livestock in fields with public access such as footpaths and other public rights of way, why can supermarket managers/ management company managers etc  keep unregulated parking company's on land  with public access ?
 If those signing contracts with PPCs were held personally liable (as is possible under GDPR) or at least uncomfortable then you may find PPCs being unwelcome

Thank you for your comment.

fisherjim

Thekisspainting said:

  They go inte deaf hears and then sell the fine to debt recovery companies ...

They cannot sell the debt (or fine) to debt recovery companies as there is no debt (or fine) to sell, don't let the scammers grind you down or think there are pitfalls that don't really exist.

Thekisspainting

fisherjim said:

Thekisspainting said:

  They go inte deaf hears and then sell the fine to debt recovery companies ...

They cannot sell the debt (or fine) to debt recovery companies as there is no debt (or fine) to sell, don't let the scammers grind you down or think there are pitfalls that don't really exist.

Thank you for your feedback