ULEZ Compliant Cars

baser999

Bigwheels1111 said:

Grumpy_chap said:

Bigwheels1111 said:

Also euro 7 is comming in 2 years.

Euro 6 diesels could be out.

Yes, EURO7 is near.
Suggestions that means the ULEZ will immediately change to EURO7 are scaremongering.  It would be suggesting that someone could buy a compliant brand new car in, say 2024 and then be told in 2025 that it is no longer suitable.  Totally absurd!

Grumpy_chap said:

Bigwheels1111 said:

Also euro 7 is comming in 2 years.

Euro 6 diesels could be out.

Yes, EURO7 is near.
Suggestions that means the ULEZ will immediately change to EURO7 are scaremongering.  It would be suggesting that someone could buy a compliant brand new car in, say 2024 and then be told in 2025 that it is no longer suitable.  Totally absurd!

Absurd, So is ULEZ and the government.
But that’s life.

Try living with it - already had to sell our car to comply with Khans 😡 forthcoming expansion plans

Herzlos

Bigwheels1111 said:

Absurd, So is ULEZ and the government.
But that’s life.

26% reduction in harmful emissions doesn't sound too bad:

https://www.london.gov.uk/new-report-reveals-transformational-impact-expanded-ultra-low-emission-zone-so-far

It's a shame for those caught with having to upgrade, but it's making a nicer city for everyone.

baser999

@ Herzlos, we’re all up for cleaner air and the obvious benefits but why is it the motorist that’s always hammered? The problems created by those non-compliant vehicles is minuscule compared to that generated by industry. Check out Brown Car Guy on YouTube 
Motorists have always been an easy target, a cash cow, and have generated absolutely millions for Khan in London and no one can tell you where it’s gone, apart from the obvious spend on expansion and all the additional cameras, road signs and such. Not seen any spend on filling potholes. 

Ectophile

baser999 said:

@ Herzlos, we’re all up for cleaner air and the obvious benefits but why is it the motorist that’s always hammered? The problems created by those non-compliant vehicles is minuscule compared to that generated by industry. Check out Brown Car Guy on YouTube 
Motorists have always been an easy target, a cash cow, and have generated absolutely millions for Khan in London and no one can tell you where it’s gone, apart from the obvious spend on expansion and all the additional cameras, road signs and such. Not seen any spend on filling potholes. 

Industry? I think we used to have that in the 1970's.  We certainly don't have industry in cities any more.

Keep_pedalling

baser999 said:

@ Herzlos, we’re all up for cleaner air and the obvious benefits but why is it the motorist that’s always hammered? The problems created by those non-compliant vehicles is minuscule compared to that generated by industry. Check out Brown Car Guy on YouTube 
Motorists have always been an easy target, a cash cow, and have generated absolutely millions for Khan in London and no one can tell you where it’s gone, apart from the obvious spend on expansion and all the additional cameras, road signs and such. Not seen any spend on filling potholes. 

Because motor vehicles are the biggest cause of poor air quality in cities like London and the health of the residents is more important than the gripes of diesel heads. Back in the 50s it was coal fires and there were probably people back then moaning about having to use more expensive smokeless fuels after the Clean Air act of 1956.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_Air_Act_1956

DrEskimo

baser999 said:

@ Herzlos, we’re all up for cleaner air and the obvious benefits but why is it the motorist that’s always hammered? The problems created by those non-compliant vehicles is minuscule compared to that generated by industry. Check out Brown Car Guy on YouTube 
Motorists have always been an easy target, a cash cow, and have generated absolutely millions for Khan in London and no one can tell you where it’s gone, apart from the obvious spend on expansion and all the additional cameras, road signs and such. Not seen any spend on filling potholes. 

I think you should spend more time researching your sources before drawing conclusions. 

That chap from YouTube is simply regurgitating some nonsense off a AutoExpress article, which is just an opinion piece from a journalist where he talks about greenhouse gas emissions, which has nothing to do with ULEZ. 

ULEZ is about NOx and particle emissions at the road side, not CO2. Private motorists are absolutely the largest contributor to this. 

Petriix

baser999 said:

mgfvvc said:

I've not heard of any exemption for private family cars. I have heard of people saying they are being forced to sell their pruvate family cars because of ULEZ expansion.

That is indeed so. We live about a mile outside the existing London ULEZ which Khan is extending in August. Our beloved Land Rover was non-compliant so we’d have been looking at a daily charge of £12.50 every time it moved. At great expense, we’ve been forced to p/ex a well loved, regularly serviced and much cared for vehicle just to keep him happy. A big thank you to the Mayor

Good. There's no reason to have a vehicle like that in the city (and many reasons not to). 

Grumpy_chap

Petriix said:

baser999 said:

mgfvvc said:

I've not heard of any exemption for private family cars. I have heard of people saying they are being forced to sell their pruvate family cars because of ULEZ expansion.

That is indeed so. We live about a mile outside the existing London ULEZ which Khan is extending in August. Our beloved Land Rover was non-compliant so we’d have been looking at a daily charge of £12.50 every time it moved. At great expense, we’ve been forced to p/ex a well loved, regularly serviced and much cared for vehicle just to keep him happy. A big thank you to the Mayor

Good. There's no reason to have a vehicle like that in the city (and many reasons not to). 

A vehicle like what?

For reasons that perplex me, many EVs have SUV design.  

jimjames

DrEskimo said:

baser999 said:

@ Herzlos, we’re all up for cleaner air and the obvious benefits but why is it the motorist that’s always hammered? The problems created by those non-compliant vehicles is minuscule compared to that generated by industry. Check out Brown Car Guy on YouTube 
Motorists have always been an easy target, a cash cow, and have generated absolutely millions for Khan in London and no one can tell you where it’s gone, apart from the obvious spend on expansion and all the additional cameras, road signs and such. Not seen any spend on filling potholes. 

ULEZ is about NOx and particle emissions at the road side, not CO2. Private motorists are absolutely the largest contributor to this. 

This is absolutely the case, the requirement for ULEZ is to meet the Euro4 limit for NOx for petrol cars, it isn't a requirement that the car is Euro4 itself just that it meets the limit. Although if that is the case it won't be automatically flagged as compliant and you'll have to go through the farce of TFL not knowing their own rules and bouncing back and forth to get compliance accepted. If you have an early Euro6 diesel it's likely that the same will be true and you'll need to get TFL to accept compliance if it's not automatic.

baser999

Petriix said:

baser999 said:

mgfvvc said:

I've not heard of any exemption for private family cars. I have heard of people saying they are being forced to sell their pruvate family cars because of ULEZ expansion.

That is indeed so. We live about a mile outside the existing London ULEZ which Khan is extending in August. Our beloved Land Rover was non-compliant so we’d have been looking at a daily charge of £12.50 every time it moved. At great expense, we’ve been forced to p/ex a well loved, regularly serviced and much cared for vehicle just to keep him happy. A big thank you to the Mayor

Good. There's no reason to have a vehicle like that in the city (and many reasons not to). 

There is if you have mobility issues and have trouble getting into and out of a saloon type vehicle. Think before you make any other assertions