Can't get a job as no ID

Not me fortunately but I'm trying to help someone who is caught in a bad place because he can't get a job because he doesn't have any ID at all.  Obviously employers have to make sure they cover their backsides so he's managed to get to the "we'd like to employ you" stage and then can't prove who he is.  

First steps I would suggest are that he applies for a birth certificate.  But I have yet to find a way, preferably free, to get a GRO number.  At 19 he seems to be excluded from anything I've seen so far.

I would also suggest he registers to vote - as I understand it he would only need his NI No. and address to do this.  My thought on this is that he could then apply for a Voter's ID which at least would give him something to show to potential employers if only to prove he's a solid citizen.

I would like to suggest he apply for a citizenship card but this is difficult as he has none of the standard IDs that could be certified by someone who doesn't know him.  And the "official professional from their records" type of referral only gives the choice of a social worker (he has a support worker which is presumably similar but the individual doesn't talk to him ever (so no not very supportive)) or a Jobcenter work coach which would require that individual to answer calls which I think is unlikely to happen. 

And I would like to suggest he apply for a provisional driver's license - not that he's planning to learn how to drive any time soon.  But it's unclear how much this costs (gov.uk says £34 - 43 but gives no explanation).  He has a letter from DWP with his NINo.  But there's also the need to supply addresses for the last 3 years.  How rigid is that requirement?  He's living in one place now and has been since last summer but the previous years he was all over the place (not by choice). 

I've got someone who's willing to fund some of this but it's not a bottomless pot so trying to be as efficient as possible.  Fast too would be great.  His family can't help in any way, shape or form.  He's not in school so no teachers.  Not in a sports team so no coach.  As stated previous support worker refuses to help and DWP doesn't seem much better.  

Happy to hear any hints or other ideas.  Or for this to be moved to a better board if necessary.
"Never retract, never explain, never apologise; get things done and let them howl.”
«13

Comments

  • tacpot12
    tacpot12 Posts: 7,929 Forumite
    First Anniversary Name Dropper First Post
    There is some information on obtaining birth certificates here that might be helpful: Registers of births, marriages and deaths - FamilyConnect

    The provisional driving licence is £34 if you apply online and £43 if you apply by post, but in both cases you need a proof of ID that your friend doesn't have.
    The comments I post are my personal opinion. While I try to check everything is correct before posting, I can and do make mistakes, so always try to check official information sources before relying on my posts.
  • Marcon
    Marcon Posts: 10,583 Forumite
    First Post First Anniversary Name Dropper Combo Breaker
    Brie said:
    And the "official professional from their records" type of referral only gives the choice of a social worker (he has a support worker which is presumably similar but the individual doesn't talk to him ever (so no not very supportive)) or a Jobcenter work coach which would require that individual to answer calls which I think is unlikely to happen. 


    As stated previous support worker refuses to help and DWP doesn't seem much better.  


    Refuses to help or hasn't specifically been asked/pressed to do so? If they definitely won't help, then an official complaint might be the best way to 'encourage' a bit of action from them.

    Ditto the Jobcentre work coach. You say it is 'unlikely' they will answer calls, but actually that's part of their job. Again, try it and if you get nowhere, there's an official complaints procedure you can use.

    Brie said:

    First steps I would suggest are that he applies for a birth certificate.  But I have yet to find a way, preferably free, to get a GRO number.  At 19 he seems to be excluded from anything I've seen so far.

    Anyone can order a birth certificate - they are public records: https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/register.asp 


    Googling on your question might have been both quicker and easier, if you're only after simple facts rather than opinions!  
  • Brie
    Brie Posts: 9,906 Forumite
    Photogenic First Post Name Dropper First Anniversary
    @Marcon
    re the support worker....there have been messages left by the young man which no one seems to deal with, when he calls the phone doesn't get answered, ring back a minute later and it's turned off.  So refusing to engage.  A colleague has rung today and we're hoping that with an unknown number he might manage to get through.  And there's a big difference between an under confident teen and a determined 60something.

    re DWP....when I was personally dealing with the JobCentre last year I was flat out told that they don't give out individual phone numbers and that you need to ring a central line and the "might" get back to you.  I did complain and the individual simply lied about what happened.  The manager of the centre didn't bother to respond to any of my comments just passed them back to "my" work coach who then lied some more.  So, no, not very high expectations there.

    re applying for birth certificates....yes anyone can get one but it helps to have the GRO which I've yet to manage.
    "Never retract, never explain, never apologise; get things done and let them howl.”
  • Birth certificate, which part of the UK was he born in? The information above only covers England and Wales.
    If you go down to the woods today you better not go alone.
  • theoretica
    theoretica Posts: 12,293 Forumite
    First Post Name Dropper Photogenic First Anniversary
    edited 18 April 2023 at 5:52PM
    Your local library may be able to advise about GRO number - was he born in the same part of the UK or further away? They may well know the options anyway, or have subscriptions to some of the paid resources.  Unfortunately the easy route I know isn't up to date enough for people as young as he is.
    If the library can't easily help, try getting his local councillor, or MP to be useful.
    But a banker, engaged at enormous expense,
    Had the whole of their cash in his care.
    Lewis Carroll
  • Spendless
    Spendless Posts: 24,138 Forumite
    Name Dropper First Post First Anniversary
    re - support worker. Is their phone number the only way to reach them or the organisation they work for? Is there an email, a central phone number, a physical place to drop in and speak to someone? 

    After that I'd say birth certificate, that is your starting point. Once he has that, he can either apply for a passport or driving licence, whichever works out the best to do in terms of cost, ease and timings.

    My DD is just 20 has had several p-time jobs around being a student and each place has asked for photo ID (i'm not convinced how recognised other things are other than the passport/licence) and NI number.  The person who has generously offered to pay for these could do a rough add up round it up for any postage and say that's all they would be able to pay for. If costs came in a bit higher than this would the young man be amenable to paying anything additional back once he found work as a thank you? 
  • Teapot55
    Teapot55 Posts: 729 Forumite
    First Anniversary First Post Photogenic Name Dropper
    Anyone can order a birth certificate - they are public records
    Yes, fairly sure too that a birth certificate is not evidence of identity. 

    would've . . . could've . . . should've . . .


    A.A.A.S. (Associate of the Acronym Abolition Society)

    There's definitely no 'a' in 'definitely'.
  • noitsnotme
    noitsnotme Posts: 905 Forumite
    First Anniversary First Post Name Dropper
    edited 18 April 2023 at 9:17PM
    Teapot55 said:
    Anyone can order a birth certificate - they are public records
    Yes, fairly sure too that a birth certificate is not evidence of identity. 
    Neither is a payslip but you can use one of those plus a birth certificate to apply for a provisional driving licence apparently - https://www.gov.uk/id-for-driving-licence

    *edit - I know the person in question doesn’t have a payslip, I was just pointing out you can apply for a driving licence using things that do not evidence identity.
  • OhWow
    OhWow Posts: 383 Forumite
    First Anniversary Name Dropper First Post Combo Breaker
    edited 18 April 2023 at 10:00PM
    Employers must check that a person has a right to work in the UK.

    A UK birth certificate does not mean that a person is allowed to work in the UK because for those born from 1 January 1983, being born in the UK does not make that baby a British citizen. British citizenship comes through the parent/s.

    If he is a British citizen, he can apply for a British citizen passport. A British citizen is allowed to live and work in the UK.

  • theoretica
    theoretica Posts: 12,293 Forumite
    First Post Name Dropper Photogenic First Anniversary
    OhWow said:
    Employers must check that a person has a right to work in the UK.

    Which includes:
    "A birth or adoption certificate issued in the UK, together with an official document giving
    the person’s permanent National Insurance number and their name issued by a
    government agency or a previous employer
    ."

    Does he have documentation of his NI number?
    But a banker, engaged at enormous expense,
    Had the whole of their cash in his care.
    Lewis Carroll
Meet your Ambassadors

Categories

  • All Categories
  • 343K Banking & Borrowing
  • 250K Reduce Debt & Boost Income
  • 449.6K Spending & Discounts
  • 235.1K Work, Benefits & Business
  • 607.8K Mortgages, Homes & Bills
  • 173K Life & Family
  • 247.8K Travel & Transport
  • 1.5M Hobbies & Leisure
  • 15.9K Discuss & Feedback
  • 15.1K Coronavirus Support Boards