Two metres. Two Standing Charges.

ZZaffy

Update. Yes thinking of getting solar panels.  Have had to quotes. The reps agreed on where to site, but disagreed on amount of panels, and the prices differed.  Odd that the cheaper quote had more panels.
And yes, have two metres and want to get rid of one.  Bes business utilities and Eon domestic utilities have been of no help.  Wondering on downsides and upsides of two metres and from the generous interest of MSE members it seems there is no upside to having two metres.  Why do business metres exist if you don't have to have them?

macman

You do, if the stable is run as a standalone business. You hadn't made it clear if the livery stable was running as a commercial business, rather than just a 'house with adjacent stabling'.
It's a meter.

ZZaffy

macman said:

You do, if the stable is run as a standalone business. You hadn't made it clear if the livery stable was running as a commercial business, rather than just a 'house with adjacent stabling'.
It's a meter.

The stables is a livery yard.  Not a limited company.  Self employed basis. Just fill in a short tax form each year.  Hardly make a profit.  Nine horses.

markin

ZZaffy said:

Update. Yes thinking of getting solar panels.  Have had to quotes. The reps agreed on where to site, but disagreed on amount of panels, and the prices differed.  Odd that the cheaper quote had more panels.
And yes, have two metres and want to get rid of one.  Bes business utilities and Eon domestic utilities have been of no help.  Wondering on downsides and upsides of two metres and from the generous interest of MSE members it seems there is no upside to having two metres.  Why do business metres exist if you don't have to have them?

The is an upside, you can fill both roofs and export to the max on each meter and make profit on both systems, After the 6 - 9 year payback.

The standard export limit is 3.6kwh, after filling out a form and getting approval you can usually be allowed 5kwh export, Even with batteries you will be exporting power, if you can't use, export or store it, its wasted.


How far away is the Stable, Your electrician should be able to quickly calculate if its too far or not.

matt_drummer

markin said:

ZZaffy said:

Update. Yes thinking of getting solar panels.  Have had to quotes. The reps agreed on where to site, but disagreed on amount of panels, and the prices differed.  Odd that the cheaper quote had more panels.
And yes, have two metres and want to get rid of one.  Bes business utilities and Eon domestic utilities have been of no help.  Wondering on downsides and upsides of two metres and from the generous interest of MSE members it seems there is no upside to having two metres.  Why do business metres exist if you don't have to have them?

The is an upside, you can fill both roofs and export to the max on each meter and make profit on both systems, After the 6 - 9 year payback.

The standard export limit is 3.6kwh, after filling out a form and getting approval you can usually be allowed 5kwh export, Even with batteries you will be exporting power, if you can't use, export or store it, its wasted.


How far away is the Stable, Your electrician should be able to quickly calculate if its too far or not.

I have 10 Kwp of panels and 38 Kwh of usable battery storage. I have no export limitation.

The limit you refer to is the most panels you can install and use the simplest application that cannot be refused by any DNO.

Bigger systems require more in depth application forms and could be rejected or limited in some way but it depends on where the property is situated, the infrastructure around it and the DNO in that area.

matt_drummer

ZZaffy said:

macman said:

You do, if the stable is run as a standalone business. You hadn't made it clear if the livery stable was running as a commercial business, rather than just a 'house with adjacent stabling'.
It's a meter.

The stables is a livery yard.  Not a limited company.  Self employed basis. Just fill in a short tax form each year.  Hardly make a profit.  Nine horses.

It's still a business.

A business is defined as any activity carried on with a view to making a profit.

But that does not stop you running an electricity supply to it from your house if it is physically possible.

macman

As above, run a spur to the livery yard from the house, then claim the estimated lighting cost of 700kWh as a legitimate business expense on your return. Have the second meter de-energised and removed. 
This does not affect the rewiring you have already had done, which is wholly within the livery area presumably. You just need to connect that area to the house.

ZZaffy

macman said:

As above, run a spur to the livery yard from the house, then claim the estimated lighting cost of 700kWh as a legitimate business expense on your return. Have the second meter de-energised and removed. 
This does not affect the rewiring you have already had done, which is wholly within the livery area presumably. You just need to connect that area to the house.

Thank you.  This is the answer I was hoping for.

ZZaffy

matt_drummer said:

ZZaffy said:

macman said:

The stables is a livery yard.  Not a limited company.  Self employed basis. Just fill in a short tax form each year.  Hardly make a profit.  Nine horses.

It's still a business.

A business is defined as any activity carried on with a view to making a profit.

But that does not stop you running an electricity supply to it from your house if it is physically possible.

Thank you.  Clear and precise.  Still wonder though, what the point of a business meter is if you don't have to have one.  

matt_drummer

ZZaffy said:

matt_drummer said:

ZZaffy said:

macman said:

The stables is a livery yard.  Not a limited company.  Self employed basis. Just fill in a short tax form each year.  Hardly make a profit.  Nine horses.

It's still a business.

A business is defined as any activity carried on with a view to making a profit.

But that does not stop you running an electricity supply to it from your house if it is physically possible.

Thank you.  Clear and precise.  Still wonder though, what the point of a business meter is if you don't have to have one.  

Somebody at some point will have asked for a supply to be made to the livery, either you or a previous owner.

As the livery is not a residential property it would have been made as a supply to a commercial premises, which is exactly what it is.

You don't have to have a `business meter' if you can supply the livery with electricity from your home.

Get an electrician to connect the livery to your home, if that is possible, and then have the livery supply disconnected.

Then you will only pay one standing charge as you will only have one supply and one meter.