Honest Landlords?

BikingBud

Is this likely to become more prevalent:

Eight criminal landlords (five individuals and three companies) have been fined £434,000 for offences under the Housing Act 2004, including the operation of 14 unlicensed houses in multiple occupation (HMO) and a catalogue of breaches relating to fire safety, tenant information and maintenance of the properties.

DullGreyGuy

There are 2.74 million declared unincorporated landlords in the UK, and you are saying 5 of them have been fined? A sense of proportion potentially needed?

Having worked at insurers providing Landlord insurance its a daily occurrence that claims are submitted for tenant damages to the Landlords property.  Majority are moderate damage but even in the short time I was looking at it came across far more than 5 cases of tenants converting the property to grow plants making unsafe electrical connections, making large holes in walls/floors for ventilation ducting etc. And that was just one moderate sized provider and I wasnt out looking for them. 

plumb1_2

Just as many bad tenants as there are bad landlords imo.Just as there are bad owner occupiers.

theartfullodger

There are of course criminal, and bent, and dodgy, and discriminating landlords.

Landlords can and have been fined and/or imprisoned.

We all know it. A blot upon the country (you choose which country.. .. NI, UK, Britain, England, Wales, Scotland...).  

End of.

In a sensible country it's easy to check their records.. Or for agents, or for tenants.  Come on England, catch up!

eddddy

BikingBud said:

Honest Landlords?

DullGreyGuy said:

There are 2.74 million declared unincorporated landlords in the UK, and you are saying 5 of them have been fined? A sense of proportion potentially needed?

Having worked at insurers providing Landlord insurance its a daily occurrence that claims are submitted for tenant damages to the Landlords property.  Majority are moderate damage but even in the short time I was looking at it came across far more than 5 cases of tenants converting the property to grow plants making unsafe electrical connections, making large holes in walls/floors for ventilation ducting etc. And that was just one moderate sized provider and I wasnt out looking for them. 

I'm confused by this thread!

The linked article is about a gang who ran a 'rent-to-rent' scam. 

I'm not sure how the thread title or the above post relate to 'rent-to-rent' scams.

theartfullodger

With rent2rent for each property there are two landlords (1st owner/landlord rents to someone else:. 2nd "someone else"  as landlord rent to occupants.).

There are bent landlords.  Possibly both landlords in a rent2rent.

eddddy

theartfullodger said:

With rent2rent for each property there are two landlords (1st owner/landlord rents to someone else:. 2nd "someone else"  as landlord rent to occupants.).

There are bent landlords.  Possibly both landlords in a rent2rent.

Good try! I think it's more likely that people didn't actually read the article before posting.

theartfullodger

eddddy said:

theartfullodger said:

With rent2rent for each property there are two landlords (1st owner/landlord rents to someone else:. 2nd "someone else"  as landlord rent to occupants.).

There are bent landlords.  Possibly both landlords in a rent2rent.

Good try! I think it's more likely that people didn't actually read the article before posting.

Thanks: I should of  course said with reant2rent there will be AT LEAST 2 landlords.  

motorman99

Despite artful lodgers opinion, when you watch nightmare tenants nightmare landlords or whatever it’s called on tv, there are always 6 dodgy tenants to one dodgy landlord in the show.
it may not be representative.
but the fact of the matter is that landlords should be responsible and look after their tenants, and also landlords should be able to evict non paying / badly behaved etc tenants out of their house far far quicker than they currently can.IMO if a landlord can prove 2 months rent outstanding then eviction should be immediate. 

But in the same vein a good tenant that pays regularly ought to be looked after to the hilt.

I still reckon that there are far more bad tenants than bad landlords, fortunately in both cases I think they’re a minority f

BikingBud

DullGreyGuy said:

There are 2.74 million declared unincorporated landlords in the UK, and you are saying 5 of them have been fined? A sense of proportion potentially needed?

Having worked at insurers providing Landlord insurance its a daily occurrence that claims are submitted for tenant damages to the Landlords property.  Majority are moderate damage but even in the short time I was looking at it came across far more than 5 cases of tenants converting the property to grow plants making unsafe electrical connections, making large holes in walls/floors for ventilation ducting etc. And that was just one moderate sized provider and I wasnt out looking for them. 

I'm not saying anything of the sort merely quoting, but the release from the WNC does say:

"Gang of criminal landlords fined £434,000 for housing offences"

With regards to the insurance, so the landlords are well covered then, does that mean there is no need to bleat about tenants trashing their houses?

But in that role why would you see any traffic from tenants, when the business you were in was set up to protect landlords from loss not look after tenants that have been harried out?

Apart from that a load of "whataboutery".

BikingBud

eddddy said:

BikingBud said:

Honest Landlords?

DullGreyGuy said:

There are 2.74 million declared unincorporated landlords in the UK, and you are saying 5 of them have been fined? A sense of proportion potentially needed?

Having worked at insurers providing Landlord insurance its a daily occurrence that claims are submitted for tenant damages to the Landlords property.  Majority are moderate damage but even in the short time I was looking at it came across far more than 5 cases of tenants converting the property to grow plants making unsafe electrical connections, making large holes in walls/floors for ventilation ducting etc. And that was just one moderate sized provider and I wasnt out looking for them. 

I'm confused by this thread!

The linked article is about a gang who ran a 'rent-to-rent' scam. 

I'm not sure how the thread title or the above post relate to 'rent-to-rent' scams.

@eddddy Unsure why you are confused!

The press release is quite clear, the Council have decided to use the phrases "Landlords" and being more descriptive "Eight criminal landlords"

I am trying to understand if people think this will become more common or less likely given some of the pressures that are coming to bear on housing, hence use of the term prevalent - "widespread in a particular area or at a particular time"