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Back in debt and on DMP after battling addiction 😢
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leighavfc said:TheAble said:One thing I would say is that you sure treat your rent as a priority expense. With children especially you shouldn't risk the roof over your head. Your LL may be understanding but he'll privately be concerned about the missed payment.2
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TheAble said:leighavfc said:TheAble said:One thing I would say is that you sure treat your rent as a priority expense. With children especially you shouldn't risk the roof over your head. Your LL may be understanding but he'll privately be concerned about the missed payment.DEBT FREE AS OF 28/6/17 :j:beer:0
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Does your partner earn anything? The outgoings seem the full amount, but you talk about your partner's half of the rent. Also, are you not eligible for child benefit?Statement of Affairs (SOA) link: https://www.lemonfool.co.uk/financecalculators/soa.phpFor free, non-judgemental debt advice, try: Stepchange or National Debtline. Beware fee charging companies with similar names.1
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kimwp said:Does your partner earn anything? The outgoings seem the full amount, but you talk about your partner's half of the rent. Also, are you not eligible for child benefit?
We do get benefits like tax credits etc but that helps my partner pay her bits and give her a small amount of money for herself.
All these debts and problems are caused by me solely and are my own personal debts. She will help where she can but in all honesty it will barely move the dial so too speak. Its me who has too sort this out ultimately.DEBT FREE AS OF 28/6/17 :j:beer:0 -
leighavfc said:kimwp said:Does your partner earn anything? The outgoings seem the full amount, but you talk about your partner's half of the rent. Also, are you not eligible for child benefit?
We do get benefits like tax credits etc but that helps my partner pay her bits and give her a small amount of money for herself.
All these debts and problems are caused by me solely and are my own personal debts. She will help where she can but in all honesty it will barely move the dial so too speak. Its me who has too sort this out ultimately.
It's quite hard to read your SOA in its current format (did you select format for mse?), But there look to be things you could cut back on - you have an expensive phone contract if that's for less than three phones and satellite TV isn't an essential. Looking for areas to cut back will get you back on top more quickly.Statement of Affairs (SOA) link: https://www.lemonfool.co.uk/financecalculators/soa.phpFor free, non-judgemental debt advice, try: Stepchange or National Debtline. Beware fee charging companies with similar names.1 -
kimwp said:leighavfc said:kimwp said:Does your partner earn anything? The outgoings seem the full amount, but you talk about your partner's half of the rent. Also, are you not eligible for child benefit?
We do get benefits like tax credits etc but that helps my partner pay her bits and give her a small amount of money for herself.
All these debts and problems are caused by me solely and are my own personal debts. She will help where she can but in all honesty it will barely move the dial so too speak. Its me who has too sort this out ultimately.
It's quite hard to read your SOA in its current format (did you select format for mse?), But there look to be things you could cut back on - you have an expensive phone contract if that's for less than three phones and satellite TV isn't an essential. Looking for areas to cut back will get you back on top more quickly.
Mobile phone contract I have defaulted on and haven't paid for around 3 months now... its just been passed too a debt collector too which I've just remembered! I'm in such a mess here 🙈 I don't need the phone as I have a work phone and god knows why I ever bothered taking out this other contract ad its barely been used. I basically used it too get a new model phone when things were good.... yes I am an idiot!
The TV package is grouped in with my broadband from Virgin Media. For some reason you get a better price when you have the TV package rather than just the broadband on its own. I think I'm only around half way through my contract, so not sure if it's going too be costly getting out of it vs just sticking with it for now whilst I try and sort myself out?
Yes I did press for MSE when I did the SOA. I am doing all this by phone so may be coming out not how it should be.DEBT FREE AS OF 28/6/17 :j:beer:0 -
Try this for the SOA:[font=courier new][b]Statement of Affairs and Personal Balance Sheet[/b][b]Household Information[/b]Number of adults in household........... 2Number of children in household......... 2Number of cars owned.................... 2[b]Monthly Income Details[/b]Monthly income after tax................ 2367Partners monthly income after tax....... 0Benefits................................ 0Other income............................ 0[b]Total monthly income.................... 2367[/b][b]Monthly Expense Details[/b]Mortgage................................ 0Secured/HP loan repayments.............. 400.4Rent.................................... 397.5Management charge (leasehold property).. 0Council tax............................. 172.81Electricity............................. 78Gas..................................... 78Oil..................................... 0Water rates............................. 0Telephone (land line)................... 0Mobile phone............................ 63TV Licence.............................. 13.25Satellite/Cable TV...................... 46Internet Services....................... 0Groceries etc. ......................... 400Clothing................................ 0Petrol/diesel........................... 100Road tax................................ 14.43Car Insurance........................... 47.37Car maintenance (including MOT)......... 0Car parking............................. 0Other travel............................ 0Childcare/nursery....................... 300Other child related expenses............ 0Medical (prescriptions, dentist etc).... 0Pet insurance/vet bills................. 0Buildings insurance..................... 9.58Contents insurance...................... 0Life assurance ......................... 0Other insurance......................... 0Presents (birthday, christmas etc)...... 0Haircuts................................ 30Entertainment........................... 0Holiday................................. 0Emergency fund.......................... 0[b]Total monthly expenses.................. 2150.34[/b][b]Assets[/b]Cash.................................... 0House value (Gross)..................... 0Shares and bonds........................ 0Car(s).................................. 12135Other assets............................ 0[b]Total Assets............................ 12135[/b][b]Secured & HP Debts[/b]Description....................Debt......Monthly...APRMortgage...................... 0........(0)........0Hire Purchase (HP) debt ...... 19220....(400.4)....18.8[b]Total secured & HP debts...... 19220.....-.........- [/b][b]Unsecured Debts[/b]Description....................Debt......Monthly...APRCapital one CC.................498.33....98.33.....0Capital one CC.................203.36....10.4......0Zopa CC........................626.96....73.23.....37.4[b]Total unsecured debts..........1328.65...181.96....- [/b][b]Monthly Budget Summary[/b]Total monthly income.................... 2,367Expenses (including HP & secured debts). 2,150.34Available for debt repayments........... 216.66Monthly UNsecured debt repayments....... 181.96[b]Amount left after debt repayments....... 34.7[/b][b]Personal Balance Sheet Summary[/b]Total assets (things you own)........... 12,135Total HP & Secured debt................. -19,220Total Unsecured debt.................... -1,328.65[b]Net Assets.............................. -8,413.65[/b][i]Created using the SOA calculator at www.LemonFool.co.uk.Reproduced on Moneysavingexpert with permission, using other browser.[/i][/font]
DEBT FREE AS OF 28/6/17 :j:beer:0 -
leighavfc said:Try this for the SOA:[font=courier new][b]Statement of Affairs and Personal Balance Sheet[/b][b]Household Information[/b]Number of adults in household........... 2Number of children in household......... 2Number of cars owned.................... 2[b]Monthly Income Details[/b]Monthly income after tax................ 2367Partners monthly income after tax....... 0Benefits................................ 0Other income............................ 0[b]Total monthly income.................... 2367[/b][b]Monthly Expense Details[/b]Mortgage................................ 0Secured/HP loan repayments.............. 400.4Rent.................................... 397.5Management charge (leasehold property).. 0Council tax............................. 172.81Electricity............................. 78Gas..................................... 78Oil..................................... 0Water rates............................. 0Telephone (land line)................... 0Mobile phone............................ 63TV Licence.............................. 13.25Satellite/Cable TV...................... 46Internet Services....................... 0Groceries etc. ......................... 400Clothing................................ 0Petrol/diesel........................... 100Road tax................................ 14.43Car Insurance........................... 47.37Car maintenance (including MOT)......... 0Car parking............................. 0Other travel............................ 0Childcare/nursery....................... 300Other child related expenses............ 0Medical (prescriptions, dentist etc).... 0Pet insurance/vet bills................. 0Buildings insurance..................... 9.58Contents insurance...................... 0Life assurance ......................... 0Other insurance......................... 0Presents (birthday, christmas etc)...... 0Haircuts................................ 30Entertainment........................... 0Holiday................................. 0Emergency fund.......................... 0[b]Total monthly expenses.................. 2150.34[/b][b]Assets[/b]Cash.................................... 0House value (Gross)..................... 0Shares and bonds........................ 0Car(s).................................. 12135Other assets............................ 0[b]Total Assets............................ 12135[/b][b]Secured & HP Debts[/b]Description....................Debt......Monthly...APRMortgage...................... 0........(0)........0Hire Purchase (HP) debt ...... 19220....(400.4)....18.8[b]Total secured & HP debts...... 19220.....-.........- [/b][b]Unsecured Debts[/b]Description....................Debt......Monthly...APRCapital one CC.................498.33....98.33.....0Capital one CC.................203.36....10.4......0Zopa CC........................626.96....73.23.....37.4[b]Total unsecured debts..........1328.65...181.96....- [/b][b]Monthly Budget Summary[/b]Total monthly income.................... 2,367Expenses (including HP & secured debts). 2,150.34Available for debt repayments........... 216.66Monthly UNsecured debt repayments....... 181.96[b]Amount left after debt repayments....... 34.7[/b][b]Personal Balance Sheet Summary[/b]Total assets (things you own)........... 12,135Total HP & Secured debt................. -19,220Total Unsecured debt.................... -1,328.65[b]Net Assets.............................. -8,413.65[/b][i]Created using the SOA calculator at www.LemonFool.co.uk.Reproduced on Moneysavingexpert with permission, using other browser.[/i][/font]
Some things seem to have disappeared (maybe debts in your dmp?) and you've not added the amount you owe to friends that you said you'd missed off. I think it's worth adding these even if there's no outgoings currently related to them.
In terms of your broadband/TV contract, I think it's best to wait until it's out of contract before trying to find a better deal. Do you shop around and use price comparison websites for this, car insurance etc? If not, there are good guides on the main mse website.
When you talk through things with your partner, even if you don't decide to change how you are approaching it, you should make sure you have adequate allocations in each of the areas eg is it realistic that you have no medical costs and spend nothing on entertainment (or are these adequately covered by your partner's income).
NB £30 a month for haircuts is quite a lot for one person, but more reasonable for four people. As you've split the SOA between you, it's hard to know which situation it is, so if you decide to carry on with your current approach, perhaps if you re-do your SOA, add a note by each area that your partner covers noting that this is the case and what that amount is to get the most useful advice from the forum.Statement of Affairs (SOA) link: https://www.lemonfool.co.uk/financecalculators/soa.phpFor free, non-judgemental debt advice, try: Stepchange or National Debtline. Beware fee charging companies with similar names.2 -
kimwp said:leighavfc said:Try this for the SOA:[font=courier new][b]Statement of Affairs and Personal Balance Sheet[/b][b]Household Information[/b]Number of adults in household........... 2Number of children in household......... 2Number of cars owned.................... 2[b]Monthly Income Details[/b]Monthly income after tax................ 2367Partners monthly income after tax....... 0Benefits................................ 0Other income............................ 0[b]Total monthly income.................... 2367[/b][b]Monthly Expense Details[/b]Mortgage................................ 0Secured/HP loan repayments.............. 400.4Rent.................................... 397.5Management charge (leasehold property).. 0Council tax............................. 172.81Electricity............................. 78Gas..................................... 78Oil..................................... 0Water rates............................. 0Telephone (land line)................... 0Mobile phone............................ 63TV Licence.............................. 13.25Satellite/Cable TV...................... 46Internet Services....................... 0Groceries etc. ......................... 400Clothing................................ 0Petrol/diesel........................... 100Road tax................................ 14.43Car Insurance........................... 47.37Car maintenance (including MOT)......... 0Car parking............................. 0Other travel............................ 0Childcare/nursery....................... 300Other child related expenses............ 0Medical (prescriptions, dentist etc).... 0Pet insurance/vet bills................. 0Buildings insurance..................... 9.58Contents insurance...................... 0Life assurance ......................... 0Other insurance......................... 0Presents (birthday, christmas etc)...... 0Haircuts................................ 30Entertainment........................... 0Holiday................................. 0Emergency fund.......................... 0[b]Total monthly expenses.................. 2150.34[/b][b]Assets[/b]Cash.................................... 0House value (Gross)..................... 0Shares and bonds........................ 0Car(s).................................. 12135Other assets............................ 0[b]Total Assets............................ 12135[/b][b]Secured & HP Debts[/b]Description....................Debt......Monthly...APRMortgage...................... 0........(0)........0Hire Purchase (HP) debt ...... 19220....(400.4)....18.8[b]Total secured & HP debts...... 19220.....-.........- [/b][b]Unsecured Debts[/b]Description....................Debt......Monthly...APRCapital one CC.................498.33....98.33.....0Capital one CC.................203.36....10.4......0Zopa CC........................626.96....73.23.....37.4[b]Total unsecured debts..........1328.65...181.96....- [/b][b]Monthly Budget Summary[/b]Total monthly income.................... 2,367Expenses (including HP & secured debts). 2,150.34Available for debt repayments........... 216.66Monthly UNsecured debt repayments....... 181.96[b]Amount left after debt repayments....... 34.7[/b][b]Personal Balance Sheet Summary[/b]Total assets (things you own)........... 12,135Total HP & Secured debt................. -19,220Total Unsecured debt.................... -1,328.65[b]Net Assets.............................. -8,413.65[/b][i]Created using the SOA calculator at www.LemonFool.co.uk.Reproduced on Moneysavingexpert with permission, using other browser.[/i][/font]
Some things seem to have disappeared (maybe debts in your dmp?) and you've not added the amount you owe to friends that you said you'd missed off. I think it's worth adding these even if there's no outgoings currently related to them.
In terms of your broadband/TV contract, I think it's best to wait until it's out of contract before trying to find a better deal. Do you shop around and use price comparison websites for this, car insurance etc? If not, there are good guides on the main mse website.
When you talk through things with your partner, even if you don't decide to change how you are approaching it, you should make sure you have adequate allocations in each of the areas eg is it realistic that you have no medical costs and spend nothing on entertainment (or are these adequately covered by your partner's income).
NB £30 a month for haircuts is quite a lot for one person, but more reasonable for four people. As you've split the SOA between you, it's hard to know which situation it is, so if you decide to carry on with your current approach, perhaps if you re-do your SOA, add a note by each area that your partner covers noting that this is the case and what that amount is to get the most useful advice from the forum.
Yeah I think il wait until contract is up and then find a better deal. Yes always use comparison sites and do my homework before signing up etc. Remarkable really how much wffort i put into stuff like this considering how bad I am with money!
30 for haircuts per month is for me and the kids, i go too the cheapest place i can find too. My partner does her hers every few months or so and pays for that herself.
I think I will redo SOA properly and fully as you have suggested with notes of anything partner pays etc. Then it gives a full and proper picture without all the confusion for you good people reading it and trying too get your head round it
Thanks for everything so far anyway, and il be back sometime tomorrow too too add the redone SOADEBT FREE AS OF 28/6/17 :j:beer:1 -
leighavfc said:Try this for the SOA:[font=courier new][b]Statement of Affairs and Personal Balance Sheet[/b][b]Household Information[/b]Number of adults in household........... 2Number of children in household......... 2Number of cars owned.................... 2 Are two cars absolutely necessary? Could you drop to one if the finance agreements allow it? [b]Monthly Income Details[/b]Monthly income after tax................ 2367Partners monthly income after tax....... 0Benefits................................ 0Other income............................ 0[b]Total monthly income.................... 2367[/b][b]Monthly Expense Details[/b]Mortgage................................ 0Secured/HP loan repayments.............. 400.4 This is the cars I assume?Rent.................................... 397.5Management charge (leasehold property).. 0Council tax............................. 172.81 Is this over 10 months or 12? If 10, then asking the council to rework it over 12 just might give you some breathing space on paying until the end of the month while they sort the DD out. You could also check what dates they offer for DD payments on this - a lot offer several points in the month.Electricity............................. 78Gas..................................... 78Oil..................................... 0Water rates............................. 0 This is paid by your partner, yes?Telephone (land line)................... 0Mobile phone............................ 63 Already notd as pricey - diarise the end of the contract and call a month before to beat the down to a £10-ish sim only deal.TV Licence.............................. 13.25Satellite/Cable TV...................... 46 This is internet/TV packaged?Internet Services....................... 0Groceries etc. ......................... 400 You can almost certainly work on this a bit - particularly if the children are little.Clothing................................ 0Petrol/diesel........................... 100Road tax................................ 14.43 If you can free up surplus to enable paying this upfront then it will save you some money on the fee charged for monthly DD.Car Insurance........................... 47.37Car maintenance (including MOT)......... 0 Is this included in the contractual payments? Otherwise it needs budgeting for.Car parking............................. 0Other travel............................ 0Childcare/nursery....................... 300 Any chance of either of you adjusting hours to mean this can be reduced at all?Other child related expenses............ 0Medical (prescriptions, dentist etc).... 0Pet insurance/vet bills................. 0Buildings insurance..................... 9.58 Hopefully this is actually contents insurance in the wrong place allowing that you are renting?Contents insurance...................... 0Life assurance ......................... 0Other insurance......................... 0Presents (birthday, christmas etc)...... 0 This is an area that needs budgeting for.Haircuts................................ 30Entertainment........................... 0 Again, you need to budget something here for the small things even - ice creams during a trip to the park, hot chocolates all round in the middle of a winter walk. Try to make the basic entertainment itself free or very cheap, but budget a small amount to allow for a little treat to be added on.Holiday................................. 0Emergency fund.......................... 0 In the longer term you need to budget for something here, but right now priorities are the rent and CT. [b]Total monthly expenses.................. 2150.34[/b][b]Assets[/b]Cash.................................... 0House value (Gross)..................... 0Shares and bonds........................ 0Car(s).................................. 12135Other assets............................ 0[b]Total Assets............................ 12135[/b][b]Secured & HP Debts[/b]Description....................Debt......Monthly...APRMortgage...................... 0........(0)........0Hire Purchase (HP) debt ...... 19220....(400.4)....18.8[b]Total secured & HP debts...... 19220.....-.........- [/b][b]Unsecured Debts[/b]Description....................Debt......Monthly...APRCapital one CC.................498.33....98.33.....0Capital one CC.................203.36....10.4......0Zopa CC........................626.96....73.23.....37.4[b]Total unsecured debts..........1328.65...181.96....- [/b][b]Monthly Budget Summary[/b]Total monthly income.................... 2,367Expenses (including HP & secured debts). 2,150.34Available for debt repayments........... 216.66Monthly UNsecured debt repayments....... 181.96[b]Amount left after debt repayments....... 34.7[/b][b]Personal Balance Sheet Summary[/b]Total assets (things you own)........... 12,135Total HP & Secured debt................. -19,220Total Unsecured debt.................... -1,328.65[b]Net Assets.............................. -8,413.65[/b][i]Created using the SOA calculator at www.LemonFool.co.uk.Reproduced on Moneysavingexpert with permission, using other browser.[/i][/font]
I do absolutely get your concerns about needing to deal with the debt yourself, however, there is an exception to that and it is when the very roof over your head is threatened as other have said - this also includes the Council tax by the way - as that should also be considered an absolute priority to pay. I know you're going to hate to ask, but does your partner have any savings that might be able to be used to pay the rest of the rent and the CT?
Comments in bold above. I'll be honest - even without the DMP debts included, it looks to me like your DMP might need a reworking as things do appear to be tight. I think you need to keep it paused while you sort out your current issues, then probably ask for a recalculation of affordability alongside including the newer debts in the DMP, but I'll let those with more knowledge in that area confirm that would work!🎉 MORTGAGE FREE (First time!) 30/09/2016 🎉 And now we go again…New mortgage taken 01/09/23 🏡
Balance as at 01/09/23 = £115,000.00 Balance as at 31/12/23 = £112,000.00
Balance as at 31/08/24 = £105,400.00 Balance as at 31/12/24 = £102,500.00
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