Any ideas why my Contibutions based ESA has not ncreased since 2012

annie_5

Thank you all for your helpful replies,  i am most grateful to you all and have a better understanding x

calcotti

4justice2 said:

calcotti said:

Your impact of your NHS on your ESA was mentioned in a number of replies but you have made no comment of your ESA calculations.

It has just occurred to me that were you already already receiving your NHS pension before you were transferred from IB to contribution based ESA then I think the pension may ignored for contribution based ESA - however I haven’t located the legislative background and I therefore cannot confirm whether or not this possible application applies.

In their first post the OP says they claimed IB in 2002, I believe the change in pension income rules was from 6.4.01........

Thanks 4justice2, if that did begin in 2001 that would mean my possible thought on last post was incorrect. As I indicated I could track down the legislation. I remain puzzled amount of ESA be getting by OP given their amount of pension income (and mentioned in several posts but OP did not query in any off theirs). 

4justice2

Previously, annie_5 posted the following info:

"In 2019 i was diagnosed with 2 life limiting conditions and was awarded extra money because they classified me as severely disabled amounting to £66.95. Plus  Disability income guarantee £17.10. Extra money because i was in Support Group of £39.20 (2020 SG Component rate?) equalling £197.60.
Other income which was my NHS PENSION £181.13.
Minus the two equals £16.47.
The letter states that because i'm entitled to Contributions based ESA we will pay you £135.39 (total ESA(C) in payment?)
Included in this is a top up payment of £21.84 (Transitional Addition?) so i will not see a drop in my benefit."


Based on the SG component of £39.20, that looks like 2020, so based on that figure I get:
Assessment Rate + SG Component + Transitional Addition = £74.35 + £39.20 + £21.84 = £135.39 for 2020
                                                                                                 £74.70 + £39.40 + £21.29 = £135.39 for 2021
                                                                                                 £77.00 + £40.60 + £17.79 = £135.39 for 2022
                                                                                                 £84.80 + £44.70 + £5.89   = £135.39 for 2023

This does appear that no deduction for NHS Pension is made, so it may be a pre April 2001 Incapacity Benefit claim.

If my figures are correct, the TA is not far from eroding completely, which means the ESA(C) will then increase.

annie_5

4justice2 said:

Previously, annie_5 posted the following info:

"In 2019 i was diagnosed with 2 life limiting conditions and was awarded extra money because they classified me as severely disabled amounting to £66.95. Plus  Disability income guarantee £17.10. Extra money because i was in Support Group of £39.20 (2020 SG Component rate?) equalling £197.60.
Other income which was my NHS PENSION £181.13.
Minus the two equals £16.47.
The letter states that because i'm entitled to Contributions based ESA we will pay you £135.39 (total ESA(C) in payment?)
Included in this is a top up payment of £21.84 (Transitional Addition?) so i will not see a drop in my benefit."


Based on the SG component of £39.20, that looks like 2020, so based on that figure I get:
Assessment Rate + SG Component + Transitional Addition = £74.35 + £39.20 + £21.84 = £135.39 for 2020
                                                                                                 £74.70 + £39.40 + £21.29 = £135.39 for 2021
                                                                                                 £77.00 + £40.60 + £17.79 = £135.39 for 2022
                                                                                                 £84.80 + £44.70 + £5.89   = £135.39 for 2023

This does appear that no deduction for NHS Pension is made, so it may be a pre April 2001 Incapacity Benefit claim.

If my figures are correct, the TA is not far from eroding completely, which means the ESA(C) will then increase.

Thank you thats encouraging.  My Mortgage has just increased, along with general cost of living that we are all facing, so just about hanging in there. Thank you for replying 

Newcad

I was also just working it out, but while I was doing it 4justice2 beat me to posting.

You'll be pleased to know that what I calculated agrees with those figures.

You can see that the pension is reducing IR ESA to well below what CB ESA will pay, and that will continue to be the case so we only need to consider CB ESA and the Transitional Addition.
The pension income is being disregarded in CB ESA, as said above that can happen with certain previous IB claimants who moved to ESA.

You can see that the TA is reducing (eroding) as the ESA rates go up, and that the TA is possibly/probably going to be fully eroded by an increase in ESA rates in 2024.

It would take a rise in ESA of 5% in April 2024 for annie_5 to get her first increase in ESA since moving onto it.

annie_5

Newcad said:

I was also just working it out, but while I was doing it 4justice2 beat me to posting.

You'll be pleased to know that what I calculated agrees with those figures.

You can see that the pension is reducing IR ESA to well below what CB ESA will pay, and that will continue to be the case so we only need to consider CB ESA and the Transitional Addition.
The pension income is being disregarded in CB ESA, as said above that can happen with certain previous IB claimants who moved to ESA.

You can see that the TA is reducing (eroding) as the ESA rates go up, and that the TA is possibly/probably going to be fully eroded by an increase in ESA rates in 2024.

It would take a rise in ESA of 5% in April 2024 for annie_5 to get her first increase in ESA since moving onto it.

Thank you that sounds encouraging. I should have familiaised myself with this earler. However ive been dealing with blòod clots on both lungs since 2017 which were not responding to treatment/blood thinners, amongst other health  probs.

I am so grateful to everyone who have taken the time to answer. 

calcotti

4justice2 said:

Previously, annie_5 posted the following info:
…

This does appear that no deduction for NHS Pension is made, so it may be a pre April 2001 Incapacity Benefit claim.

Thanks 4justice2, I’d somehow not noticed that the post had been made by Annie_5 (I really shouldn’t try to read image on my mobile home!)

I hope that the not deduction from her pension is correct but I am aware on your advice that the time IB started could be that pension should be taken into account.

annie_5

calcotti said:

4justice2 said:

Previously, annie_5 posted the following info:
…

This does appear that no deduction for NHS Pension is made, so it may be a pre April 2001 Incapacity Benefit claim.

Thanks 4justice2, I’d somehow not noticed that the post had been made by Annie_5 (I really shouldn’t try to read image on my mobile home!)

I hope that the not deduction from her pension is correct but I am aware on your advice that the time IB started could be that pension should be taken into account.

I do get taxed on my Pension as they take the CB ESA as income. Sorry if that was not what you were refereing too. 

calcotti

annie_5 said:

calcotti said:

4justice2 said:

Previously, annie_5 posted the following info:
…

This does appear that no deduction for NHS Pension is made, so it may be a pre April 2001 Incapacity Benefit claim.

Thanks 4justice2, I’d somehow not noticed that the post had been made by Annie_5 (I really shouldn’t try to read image on my mobile home!)

I hope that the not deduction from her pension is correct but I am aware on your advice that the time IB started could be that pension should be taken into account.

I do get taxed on my Pension as they take the CB ESA as income. Sorry if that was not what you were refereing too. 

No my comment was not about the tax on your pension having tax calculated to take into account the due of CB ESA. 

It was not just confirming whether or not the pension should be included in part creating a deduction from the ESA payment itself (it is normally a deduction each week of 50% of deduction of pension over £85/week).
This was referred to in a number of posts but I then remembered that you might be excluded from that because ESA started as migration from IB but a further comment contended that that could be various depending on the date IB itself was made.

annie_5

calcotti said:

annie_5 said:

calcotti said:

4justice2 said:

Previously, annie_5 posted the following info:
…

This does appear that no deduction for NHS Pension is made, so it may be a pre April 2001 Incapacity Benefit claim.

Thanks 4justice2, I’d somehow not noticed that the post had been made by Annie_5 (I really shouldn’t try to read image on my mobile home!)

I hope that the not deduction from her pension is correct but I am aware on your advice that the time IB started could be that pension should be taken into account.

I do get taxed on my Pension as they take the CB ESA as income. Sorry if that was not what you were refereing too. 

No my comment was not about the tax on your pension having tax calculated to take into account the due of CB ESA. 

It was not just confirming whether or not the pension should be included in part creating a deduction from the ESA payment itself (it is normally a deduction each week of 50% of deduction of pension over £85/week).
This was referred to in a number of posts but I then remembered that you might be excluded from that because ESA started as migration from IB but a further comment contended that that could be various depending on the date IB itself was made.

Thank you so much for your time and patience in helping me understand my award. Much appreciated