GU10 LED downlights - where to buy?

ashe

We are making some changes to our living room and having some gu10 downlights put in, we've had a quote and he's said he is happy for us to just buy our own - we just want some brushed chrome ones like we have in other rooms, but when I search for gu10 downlights it seems a minefield of integrated bulbs etc 

can anyone suggest a good gu10 downlight that is reasonably priced? 

Here is an image of the ones we have elsewhere for comparison

When I look at screwfix I see ones like this 

https://www.screwfix.com/p/lap-cosmoseco-fixed-fire-rated-led-downlight-chrome-5-8w-450lm-10-pack/944pp

but it talks about wattage, lumens and colour temp so don't know if these are fixed bulbs or not? We want to use our own bulbs for smart lighting so need something that can change the gu10 bulb in and also need fire rated

FreeBear

ashe said: When I look at screwfix I see ones like this 

https://www.screwfix.com/p/lap-cosmoseco-fixed-fire-rated-led-downlight-chrome-5-8w-450lm-10-pack/944pp

but it talks about wattage, lumens and colour temp so don't know if these are fixed bulbs or not? We want to use our own bulbs for smart lighting so need something that can change the gu10 bulb in and also need fire rated

The giveaway is the blurb about lumens - This tells us that it is an integrated lamp, so no bulbs to change. Here is a search that throws up a selection that requires bulbs - https://www.screwfix.com/c/electrical-lighting/downlights/cat840836?adjustable=fixed&lightbulbtechnology=supplied_without_bulb

ashe

FreeBear said:

ashe said: When I look at screwfix I see ones like this 

https://www.screwfix.com/p/lap-cosmoseco-fixed-fire-rated-led-downlight-chrome-5-8w-450lm-10-pack/944pp

but it talks about wattage, lumens and colour temp so don't know if these are fixed bulbs or not? We want to use our own bulbs for smart lighting so need something that can change the gu10 bulb in and also need fire rated

The giveaway is the blurb about lumens - This tells us that it is an integrated lamp, so no bulbs to change. Here is a search that throws up a selection that requires bulbs - https://www.screwfix.com/c/electrical-lighting/downlights/cat840836?adjustable=fixed&lightbulbtechnology=supplied_without_bulb

Magic, exactly what I was looking for - cheers!

Risteard

Integrated recessed luminaires are far superior to GU10s. However avoid LAP like the plague - it's a Screwfix home brand and is complete and utter rubbish. The price should tell you this in fairness.

ashe

Risteard said:

Integrated recessed luminaires are far superior to GU10s. However avoid LAP like the plague - it's a Screwfix home brand and is complete and utter rubbish. The price should tell you this in fairness.

If I can't fit a gu10 bulb in it, it doesn't meet my use case 

Risteard

ashe said:

Risteard said:

Integrated recessed luminaires are far superior to GU10s. However avoid LAP like the plague - it's a Screwfix home brand and is complete and utter rubbish. The price should tell you this in fairness.

If I can't fit a gu10 bulb in it, it doesn't meet my use case 

I'm not sure why. They are an entirely inferior product to a good quality integrated downlight.

ashe

Risteard said:

ashe said:

Risteard said:

Integrated recessed luminaires are far superior to GU10s. However avoid LAP like the plague - it's a Screwfix home brand and is complete and utter rubbish. The price should tell you this in fairness.

If I can't fit a gu10 bulb in it, it doesn't meet my use case 

I'm not sure why. They are an entirely inferior product to a good quality integrated downlight.

It's exactly because it is integrated, meaning 1) I can't use my specific smart home bulbs, 2) I can't easily integrate it with Home assistant / Hue on a per-bulb basis and it won't work with other lighting/scenes/automations in the room/house without additional modules. 

FreeBear

ashe said:

Risteard said:

ashe said:

Risteard said:

Integrated recessed luminaires are far superior to GU10s. However avoid LAP like the plague - it's a Screwfix home brand and is complete and utter rubbish. The price should tell you this in fairness.

If I can't fit a gu10 bulb in it, it doesn't meet my use case 

I'm not sure why. They are an entirely inferior product to a good quality integrated downlight.

It's exactly because it is integrated, meaning 1) I can't use my specific smart home bulbs, 2) I can't easily integrate it with Home assistant / Hue on a per-bulb basis and it won't work with other lighting/scenes/automations in the room/house without additional modules. 

Now't wrong with GU10 fittings - I have a mix of integrated spots and GU10 fittings, and the only failure to date has been one of the integrated spots.

If you want smart bulbs, ignore the critics and go for it.

casper_gutman

I wouldn't want integrated because if one fails (as FreeBear's did) and I can't get an exact equivalent as a replacement, then I either have to replace a whole room full or have them mismatched.

The ability to use smart bulbs is another point in favour of using downlights with replaceable bulbs.

What are the advantages of integrated?

grumbler

casper_gutman said:

What are the advantages of integrated?

They are supposed to be more reliable as for traditional bulbs the main problem is fitting a reliable voltage transformer for LEDs into the bulb. Also, they are more flat and need less headroom

ashe

Sort of moot for me as we use coloured lighting extensively and the eco system we use doesn't have integrated lighting in their setup at this time so doesn't meet our needs. 

Cheers for the help all!