Funding of adult care plan for an elderly person in receipt of benefits.

lisyloo

Did you mean residential home?
Personal care isn't a nursing job.
The local authority won't pay for a nursing home if only residential care if required although some homes do take clients that fall into both categories.

elsien

Don’t start panicking the OP about his Mum being taken into care which doesn’t seem to be remotely on the radar at present.

Let them focus on the assessment and getting the best out of that. 

lisyloo

People don't get "taken" in care if they can make decisions for themselves and have family to support them.
The point was they won't come on demand.
It's up to 4 times a day, so that could be an issue.
A live in carer is wonderful for the wealthy.

xylophone

Did you mean residential home?
Personal care isn't a nursing job.
The local authority won't pay for a nursing home if only residential care if required although some homes do take clients that fall into both categories.

A relative's relative started off in a residential home for the elderly - this was a matter of choice - she was 91 and somewhat arthritic and had had a couple of bone breaking falls in the large family home where she ended up living alone after widowhood.

She needed help with getting out of bed and into the en suite.

Sadly, she developed double incontinence and so moved to a residential home which could  offer a higher level of care and then vascular dementia (gradually loss of ability to walk/move easily in bed etc) which necessitated a move to a home with nursing care. By the age of 97 when she died she was very frail.

As  the OP's mother is already suffering from dementia, it may be that care in a nursing home where assistance with personal needs will be easily available day and night will be required?

xylophone

Don’t start panicking the OP 

I wasn't aware I had introduced a note of panic.

I was merely observing that if the OP's main difficulty is coping with  double incontinence, he is unlikely to be able to call a carer in on demand.

And with regard to going into care, see my post above. 

xylophone

A live in carer is wonderful for the wealthy.

And even where it might be contemplated ( the  care home fees for the lady to whom I referred were well above average wage!)  the carer has to have holidays etc so needs cover but even beyond that and even with a hoist, it is difficult  for only one carer to cope.

diystarter7

xylophone said:

Don’t start panicking the OP 

I wasn't aware I had introduced a note of panic.

I was merely observing that if the OP's main difficulty is coping with  double incontinence, he is unlikely to be able to call a carer in on demand.

And with regard to going into care, see my post above. 

Hi

I saw your post as open, honest and honest opinions as you saw them.
I'm not sure why th other poster said what they did and they should know judging by their postings that it is very diffuclt to get someone into a care home etc if they have certain abilities.

Things change within a second and people become very unwell and then make a recover to what they were before.
Its been over 7/8 years since I left work and I worked in so many depts and things change but their are emergency teams, plans etc to deal with short term emergency needs etc and the last thing anyone wants is a care home when someone can be managed in their own home. It's always a last resort.
Having stated the above, I fully understood what you said and very confused why the other poster read it as they said they did.

To be clear you was not "paniciking" anyone and the OP needs a bit of credit to detrmone for themselves what can and can't happen atm and an assesmsets are required to see what can be offered etc.

xylophone

last thing anyone wants is a care home when someone can be managed in their own home. It's always a last resort.

My relative's relative would have preferred to stay in her own home but had been an only child and had only two children herself, one of whom had emigrated to Australia and the other lived sixty miles away.

Her arthritis meant that she moved very slowly and was unsteady on her feet - a broken hip and broken right wrist were no fun.

Add increasing deafness and forgetting to put on her personal alarm.....

In the end residential care became the best option.

diystarter7

lisyloo said:

People don't get "taken" in care if they can make decisions for themselves and have family to support them.
The point was they won't come on demand.
It's up to 4 times a day, so that could be an issue.
A live in carer is wonderful for the wealthy.

Hi

The comments about "wonderful for the wealthy" are hurtful and insulting to the many ordinary families that
pool their resources/money to employ a live-in carer as they love their parents. A lot of people give up work to look after their parents and many others, more so do  as I have just posted and its not because they are "wealthy"


We know of people and I had clients who they were nowhere near "wealthy" that pooled money
from family to employ a live-in carer as they were so worried re mum/dd and mum dad did not want to go int a home

The other option and this was practised by many was inc my MiL and her family, they bought their own private
care from someone that lived close by and did 2/3/4 visits daily just to ensure that mum/dad had not fallen wanting some and is safe and had someone to speak with and a bit of tidying up - often these people were carers who worked prvately as self employed like that. It saved my clients familys and my in-laws a laod of money as via the agencies they were looking at at around 30 to 40 quid and min was an hour

Therefore, in my observations, everyone I knew via work etc where certainly not as you stated with the exception of my in-laws

I've yet to meet anyone who prefers to go into a cre home and leave their home, often home of more than 40/80 years and the impact of care home etc ofte does them in



A female client of mine and I will enver forget this did not want to leave her mother alone as she had a medical incidient and the daughter left work to look after her but after 6 months wanted to return to work as mum wanted her to go to work and she had a decent job - guess what she was not walthy, employed a live in carer 6 days a week and after costs and everyhting re live in carers was left with very little money but was looking after her own MH by going to work and ensuring mum was good.




Thanks

AsifM068

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elsien said:

I think you said that you had, but has your mum spoken to the GP  about the changes? Just to rule out any physical health triggers.

Mum is undergoing blood, urine tests and probable MRI scans for dementia. The district nurse asked me yesterday about mum's diet but nothing food wise has changed and I am limiting anything spicy etc - I think its just old age has lead to mum's poor bowel control but it's all very new to me so I'll just wait for the doc and nurses findings.  

Hi

Along with everything else that has been posted here and from you are now saying - has a continence assessment taken place? If not ask gp, her nurse to make one I'm not sure if one can self-refer. They will advise, help, recommend etc, etc.
I district nurse may have made the referral but ask. CN will develop a care plan to manage best as what they see and know as it stands. Again, its all with mums consent

Does mum have diabetes?

Good luck

Mum is borderline diabetic and her bowel issues have been referred to the incontinence team by our GP. The district nurse did mention yesterday that mum maybe entitled to free pull-ups as part of her prescription as mum and I currently self fund the pull ups and new bedding etc. 

Hi
Thnak you annd that is good re borderline, Being diabetic long term and diffuclt to mange etc leads to a massive of problems and that was what I was fearing but its not and thats great.

CN may be able to help with mattress protectors ask.

Re carers allowance, read up on the min hours you need to dedicate etc and decide what impacts these may have on your financial situation etc

About completing the carers allowance, if you need help, ask on MSE

As time goes on you guys may want to consider an alarm system andthese things often provided by the coucil after an assessment cann be a simple alarm pendant connected to the service that alerts who is needed via a pendant or wristwatch pendant to much more complex systems to monitor falls etc and if the customer has left the bed and not back in etc etc - send off for the info so you have it in the back of your mind - may cost or not as in the past there was a financial assessment element for this as well but could be different in different parts of the uk.

if mum has poor/limited  mobility outside and she does not already have a wheelchair for outside use, you could apply ask your DN about this

If you drive and take mum to appts, does mum  have a blue badge for mum as she could use that give to people that take her out in the car/etc.

Good luck


ps

https://www.gov.uk/carers-allowance

Thank you for this; I don't drive and rely on mum's niece for transport. Alarm / link line being explored whilst I type - thank you  friend.

Blue badge can still be used taking mum somewhere.

Mum's niece is a blue badge owner as her own elderly mother (92) is severely disabled.