Prepayment meters to be charged at same rate as DD

Mstty

@Sea_Shell me neither lol 

EssexHebridean

Mstty said:

EssexHebridean 

...like that - using Matt3's post as an example in this case. It saves producing multiple posts consecutively on the same thread which might risk you getting picked up for post-building. 

I've heard this mentioned before but can't find it specifically in the forum rules. How someone replies individually to comments or via the multiple quote reply (which some can't do easily on phone) is that really a thing?

It has been in the past - it usually occurs when someone new is trying to build their posting quote up in order to be able to post links etc, but certainly on the old forum it used to get picked up in from time to time as I understand it even without reporting occurring. These days I suspect it's more of an etiquette thing - although it may be that the forum software still has algorithms built in that would pick it up, I'd have no idea if that is the case or not. Multiple replies from one person can mean a single poster taking up most of a "page" of replies though which can sometimes be a bit off-putting as it ends up making a thread far longer than it really needs to be. 

Ultimately though if anyone wasn't aware of the ability to multi-quote, giving them the information can never do any harm IMO.

Sea_Shell said:

Mstty said:

EssexHebridean 

...like that - using Matt3's post as an example in this case. It saves producing multiple posts consecutively on the same thread which might risk you getting picked up for post-building. 

I've heard this mentioned before but can't find it specifically in the forum rules. How someone replies individually to comments or via the multiple quote reply (which some can't do easily on phone) is that really a thing?

I've never got the handle on multi quote. ☹️

Learning how useful the little </> toggle is on this can help - it solves the issue of not being able to type after the quote has been placed. It can still be fiddly though! (There is a thread talking about this in the feedback section IIRC).

Mstty

EssexHebridean said:

It has been in the past - it usually occurs when someone new is trying to build their posting quote up in order to be able to post links etc, but certainly on the old forum it used to get picked up in from time to time as I understand it even without reporting occurring. These days I suspect it's more of an etiquette thing - although it may be that the forum software still has algorithms built in that would pick it up, I'd have no idea if that is the case or not. Multiple replies from one person can mean a single poster taking up most of a "page" of replies though which can sometimes be a bit off-putting as it ends up making a thread far longer than it really needs to be. 

Ultimately though if anyone wasn't aware of the ability to multi-quote, giving them the information can never do any harm IMO.

I think the person you replied to has been here over 6 years. So doubt they are post building but yes can see if the person is brand new and trying to do something not quite right to be able to post links etc that would be good to pickup and report.

wild666

40 plus years ago I believe there was only two options 1. pay on receipt of bill, every 3 months. 2. pre payment meters that cost more in the SC and possibly more per kWh plus higher SC at first then they cost less per kWh for electric but about 10p per day more on the SC whilst the SC for gas now is the same for all methods but they charge more per kWh of gas used.

wild666

theoretica said:

A number of posters saying that the infrastructure of prepay has increased costs.  But how does that compare to the reduced risk of large bad debts?

The only debt PPM users can incur is the SC and the emergency credit usage. 

MACKEM99

Nelliegrace said:

I expect it means that those using Direct Debit will pay more, and not that other groups will pay less. Heads we win, tails you lose.

A race to the bottom again.

pochase

wild666 said:

theoretica said:

A number of posters saying that the infrastructure of prepay has increased costs.  But how does that compare to the reduced risk of large bad debts?

The only debt PPM users can incur is the SC and the emergency credit usage. 

I assume what @theoretica is saying is that there is a risk of debt for DD customers, but hardly any for thos eon prepaid meters, and therefore this should reduce the higher cost.

Who says that this is not the case? Prepayment is already cheaper than payment on receipt of a bill, so they might have taken this into account.

EssexHebridean

Here is a thought then - allowing that we know that energy companies like DD customers, and wouldn't want to encourage them, but probably don't much like pay on receipt of bill customers, who are (for the energy companies) a bit labour intensive, and can't "always" all be relied on to pay on time - is there scope for any additional costs that need to be recouped to cover Prepay customers seeing the same SC as DD customers (I'll assume for the purposes of this that this is what is in fact being proposed) being lumped on to the SCs for receipt of bill customers? 

Spoonie_Turtle

EssexHebridean said:

 - is there scope for any additional costs that need to be recouped to cover Prepay customers seeing the same SC as DD customers (I'll assume for the purposes of this that this is what is in fact being proposed) being lumped on to the SCs for receipt of bill customers? 

I can't see it for just that one set of customers.  I can however imagine the extra PP costs being spread evenly across all standing charges for all types of payment, then PORB having its own extra costs on top as it currently does.

EssexHebridean

Spoonie_Turtle said:

EssexHebridean said:

 - is there scope for any additional costs that need to be recouped to cover Prepay customers seeing the same SC as DD customers (I'll assume for the purposes of this that this is what is in fact being proposed) being lumped on to the SCs for receipt of bill customers? 

I can't see it for just that one set of customers.  I can however imagine the extra PP costs being spread evenly across all standing charges for all types of payment, then PORB having its own extra costs on top as it currently does.

That's another possibility, certainly.  And of course ultimately the energy co's themselves won't have the say in where the costs get added in any event.