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Moved into new (and tiny) 2-bed flat. After 49 days, been charged a whopping £750 for electricity!

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  • missmococomissmococo Forumite
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    Alnat1 said:
    Really do check that the right meter is being used to bill your flat. You might be paying for your neighbours electricity and they are paying for yours.
    My meter is inside my flat so I don't think that's the issue unfortunately.
  • edited 24 February at 6:45PM
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    edited 24 February at 6:45PM
    But those figures on that bill are estimated readings. You actual reading is from 25th Jan. Did you do a reading  and give it to the company when you moved in? Looks to me as if you have inherited the previous tenant/owners outstanding bill.
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    schnegge_londonschnegge_london Forumite
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    edited 24 February at 6:56PM
    Two things I'm wondering on your bill
    1) it says estimated reading? Did you provide readings or do you have a smart meter? Never pay an estimated bill, it will very likely not be in your favor.
    2) you are paying quite high tariffs of over 40p for the Kwh. I'm also on electric only (although without E7), and my tariff is 35,05 (London)
    If you have an idea what you use, make a calculation if E7 is profitable for you. If you don't have storage heaters it probably won't as you will get a higher day tariff and you won't profit from the cheaper night tariff. 

    Overall I fear I have to tell you that you opted in for the most expensive form of heating. What EPC does your property have? 
  • missmococomissmococo Forumite
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    Two things I'm wondering on your bill
    1) it says estimated reading? Did you provide readings or do you have a smart meter? Never pay an estimated bill, it will very likely not be in your favor.
    2) you are paying quite high tariffs of over 40p for the Kwh. I'm also on electric only (although without E7), and my tariff is 35,05 (London)
    If you have an idea what you use, make a calculation if E7 is profitable for you. If you don't have storage heaters it probably won't as you will get a higher day tariff and you won't profit from the cheaper night tariff. 

    Overall I fear I have to tell you that you opted in for the most expensive form of heating. What EPC does your property have? 
    I did provide actual readings to Scottish Power so I haven't inherited previous tenants bill. 

    I didn't get to shop around before coming here as I was being evicted and it was very stressful moving two weeks before Xmas (and all the closed businesses), so unfortunately I just took on the supplier that previous supplied to the property. I had enquired about Octopus prior to moving but they were not taking on new customers then. 

    And my landlord told me this heating was brilliant and very cost-efficient! Said she spent over £4k on it and it was much better than the previous storage heaters as the flat was always freezing. I, unfortunately, wasn't in a position to shop around for flats - this was the only one I could get so it was this or be homeless. Still, I was told heating was great and cost-effective and energy efficient! EPC is D I think. My last place was F.
  • schnegge_londonschnegge_london Forumite
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    At the moment we are all protected by the government's EPG, although I think it doesn't apply to E7, and I think every supplier can set their own rules for it. 
    So to which supplier you go, it really doesn't matter at the moment. 
    And as long as there are no competitive tariffs out there, the standard default will be the cheapest in most of the cases. 

    I completely feel you, I can only imagine that it must be so stressful to get evicted, so you just took what you can get. 
    But to be honest electric only heating in an EPC D rating, I wouldn't call cost efficient... it can turn out cost efficient if the property is able to retain the heat. Otherwise you will pay significantly more. 

    Nevertheless, what you need are tips to make this work for you to the lowest cost possible 
    1) really check if these readings are correct. Did you provide a meter reading once you moved in? You don't want to pay some one else's bill or an estimated bill
    2) work out if E7 is right for you. If I remember correctly, you should use about 30-35% of your usage in night to be profitable (although other forumnites might be better to confirm). If not,ask to change to a single tariff. 
    3) check for any hidden electricity eaters. The immersion heater is already a good one, that will definitely save you money. 

    At least there is a bit of hope on the horizon that the next winter will be cheaper, so let's keep our fingers crossed!
  • Spoonie_TurtleSpoonie_Turtle Forumite
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    Two things I'm wondering on your bill
    1) it says estimated reading? Did you provide readings or do you have a smart meter? Never pay an estimated bill, it will very likely not be in your favor.
    2) you are paying quite high tariffs of over 40p for the Kwh. I'm also on electric only (although without E7), and my tariff is 35,05 (London)
    If you have an idea what you use, make a calculation if E7 is profitable for you. If you don't have storage heaters it probably won't as you will get a higher day tariff and you won't profit from the cheaper night tariff. 

    Overall I fear I have to tell you that you opted in for the most expensive form of heating. What EPC does your property have? 
    I did provide actual readings to Scottish Power so I haven't inherited previous tenants bill. 
    That reading from when you moved in doesn't seem to appear on the bill, only the 25th Jan one is an actual reading.  Do you have it written down anywhere?
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    What are todays readings ?
    Never pay on an estimated bill
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    4 units overnight, when using an immersion an hour, doesn’t seem far out to me. 

    And electric heating can be very cost effective - just sadly not the type you have. Your landlord was suckered in by the promises of “German magic dust” I suspect - had she spent slightly less on 4 new HHR storage heaters you would be enjoying a lot more heat for a lot less money.

    Definitely double check that the meter readings on the bill match the ones from when you moved in, and make sure you give correct readings at least on this to get the billing correct. (And check that those readings you provide are being used to bill you, too!) 

    I suspect that you’re not going to be best off on E7 internet long term unless you can shift a lot of use to the off peak period, think washing machine, dishwasher, getting into the shower before the rate switches, the dehumidifier etc. E7 works incredibly well for a household that is able to use the bulk of its electricity overnight, but it simply isn’t designed for one where that isn’t the case. 
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  • edited 24 February at 8:54PM
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    edited 24 February at 8:54PM


    9th Dec reads from before I moved in: 
    Night 22368
    Day 49101

    25th Jan reads (last bill from Scottish Power):
    Night 22831
    Day 50490

    Today's reads:
    Night 22955
    Day 51057

    Unite Rates:




    OP has given todays readings earlier. See above.

    The bill says estimated for the 10th of December, but they are exactly the read from 9th of December OP is giving.

    E7 is clearly the wrong choice fr the OP with less than a third used at night, and even less the last month.

    Bill for the last 30 days from todays reading

    Day 607KWh x 47.827p = £290.31
    Night 124KWh x 12.276p = £15.22
    SC 30 x 37.16 = 11.15
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    Sub-Total 316.68
    5% VAT 15.83
    --------------------------------------------
    Total £ 332.51

    The first bill included the two cold spells, so the higher usage seems plausible.

    Single rate would have been about £270, so more than £50 cheaper.

    The 731KWh for a winter month seems not unrealist with the additional devices the OP mentioned.


  • EssexHebrideanEssexHebridean Forumite
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    That use really doesn’t seem extraordinary I’d agree, I’ve just totted up my January use and it comes to a little over 700kWh  - with a little over 600 of those being off peak, for me. 
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