Landlord trying to force us into another fixed term contract

_Penny_Dreadful

diystarter7 said:

_Penny_Dreadful said:

That is an interesting business plan @diystarter7, to get rid of a perfectly good tenant because they prefer a periodic tenancy to a fixed term. A

Hi @penny_dreadful

Thanks, it is for some and not for others. The important point you have missed and many others would miss is the fact that a LL
may not want someone to leave during the Christmas period or summer hols etc as they have plans and possibly managing the property themselves etc or even with a LA.  The other elementary point you have not considered is the fact we are all different but the justifcation I have give does apply and that is why some may not want a PT but a fixed  AST.

I don't expect you to agree with me but anyone else that reads this post and possibly not posting here may agree. 
Though we have not had to do that, if we had plans to go away for weeks as we do sometimes I amy not agree  to a PT
as I don't want to be constantly looking over my shoulder. 

Never forget that it works for some and does not have to work for everyone.

It’s elementary my dear Watson, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. 

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_Penny_Dreadful said:

diystarter7 said:

_Penny_Dreadful said:

That is an interesting business plan @diystarter7, to get rid of a perfectly good tenant because they prefer a periodic tenancy to a fixed term. A

Hi @penny_dreadful

Thanks, it is for some and not for others. The important point you have missed and many others would miss is the fact that a LL
may not want someone to leave during the Christmas period or summer hols etc as they have plans and possibly managing the property themselves etc or even with a LA.  The other elementary point you have not considered is the fact we are all different but the justifcation I have give does apply and that is why some may not want a PT but a fixed  AST.

I don't expect you to agree with me but anyone else that reads this post and possibly not posting here may agree. 
Though we have not had to do that, if we had plans to go away for weeks as we do sometimes I amy not agree  to a PT
as I don't want to be constantly looking over my shoulder. 

Never forget that it works for some and does not have to work for everyone.

It’s elementary my dear Watson, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. 

A bird that is offered a new contract and in response wants to explore a legal option for retaliatory eviction, can find another bush.

Not to mention OP makes clear they dont have long term plans for staying.

Mr.Generous

I bet the agent has changed, they can charge the landlord a decent fee if they get a new agreement signed, if not they can't.

Its always about money.

diystarter7

Mr.Generous said:

I bet the agent has changed, they can charge the landlord a decent fee if they get a new agreement signed, if not they can't.

Its always about money.

Hi

Not "always" as the new LL may have plans to turn into a HMO, family home, refurb and sell, etc.

Thanks

Mr.Generous

diystarter7 said:

Mr.Generous said:

I bet the agent has changed, they can charge the landlord a decent fee if they get a new agreement signed, if not they can't.

Its always about money.

Hi

Not "always" as the new LL may have plans to turn into a HMO, family home, refurb and sell, etc.

Thanks

So get them to sign 12 months so they can turn it into a HMO or family home?

BikingBud

diystarter7 said:

_Penny_Dreadful said:

That is an interesting business plan @diystarter7, to get rid of a perfectly good tenant because they prefer a periodic tenancy to a fixed term. A

Hi @penny_dreadful

Thanks, it is for some and not for others. The important point you have missed and many others would miss is the fact that a LL
may not want someone to leave during the Christmas period or summer hols etc as they have plans and possibly managing the property themselves etc or even with a LA.  The other elementary point you have not considered is the fact we are all different but the justifcation I have give does apply and that is why some may not want a PT but a fixed  AST.

I don't expect you to agree with me but anyone else that reads this post and possibly not posting here may agree. 
Though we have not had to do that, if we had plans to go away for weeks as we do sometimes I amy not agree  to a PT
as I don't want to be constantly looking over my shoulder. 

Never forget that it works for some and does not have to work for everyone.

Perhaps the other aspect is that being a landlord is not a game and requires commitment, communication and consideration. You ask your tenants to depart with a S21 and suddenly they decide to stay, stop paying rent, trash the house and remove all the fixtures and fittings. Your only recourse is the long and stressful court system, consider how that may disrupt your holiday or potentially even your cashflow and your "pension plan".

Good tenants paying fair market rates are gold dust why would you wish to negatively impact that because the LA feels that they need to keep their cashflow going with a new TA?

_Penny_Dreadful

Mr.Generous said:

I bet the agent has changed, they can charge the landlord a decent fee if they get a new agreement signed, if not they can't.

It’s always about money.

Bingo!!! 

_Penny_Dreadful

[Deleted User] said:

_Penny_Dreadful said:

diystarter7 said:

_Penny_Dreadful said:

That is an interesting business plan @diystarter7, to get rid of a perfectly good tenant because they prefer a periodic tenancy to a fixed term. A

Hi @penny_dreadful

Thanks, it is for some and not for others. The important point you have missed and many others would miss is the fact that a LL
may not want someone to leave during the Christmas period or summer hols etc as they have plans and possibly managing the property themselves etc or even with a LA.  The other elementary point you have not considered is the fact we are all different but the justifcation I have give does apply and that is why some may not want a PT but a fixed  AST.

I don't expect you to agree with me but anyone else that reads this post and possibly not posting here may agree. 
Though we have not had to do that, if we had plans to go away for weeks as we do sometimes I amy not agree  to a PT
as I don't want to be constantly looking over my shoulder. 

Never forget that it works for some and does not have to work for everyone.

It’s elementary my dear Watson, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. 

A bird that is offered a new contract and in response wants to explore a legal option for retaliatory eviction, can find another bush.

Not to mention OP makes clear they dont have long term plans for staying.

The bird isn’t in the bush though it’s in the hand…that’s the whole point dear Watson. 

diystarter7

BikingBud said:

diystarter7 said:

_Penny_Dreadful said:

That is an interesting business plan @diystarter7, to get rid of a perfectly good tenant because they prefer a periodic tenancy to a fixed term. A

Hi @penny_dreadful

Thanks, it is for some and not for others. The important point you have missed and many others would miss is the fact that a LL
may not want someone to leave during the Christmas period or summer hols etc as they have plans and possibly managing the property themselves etc or even with a LA.  The other elementary point you have not considered is the fact we are all different but the justifcation I have give does apply and that is why some may not want a PT but a fixed  AST.

I don't expect you to agree with me but anyone else that reads this post and possibly not posting here may agree. 
Though we have not had to do that, if we had plans to go away for weeks as we do sometimes I amy not agree  to a PT
as I don't want to be constantly looking over my shoulder. 

Never forget that it works for some and does not have to work for everyone.

Perhaps the other aspect is that being a landlord is not a game and requires commitment, communication and consideration. You ask your tenants to depart with a S21 and suddenly they decide to stay, stop paying rent, trash the house and remove all the fixtures and fittings. Your only recourse is the long and stressful court system, consider how that may disrupt your holiday or potentially even your cashflow and your "pension plan".

Good tenants paying fair market rates are gold dust why would you wish to negatively impact that because the LA feels that they need to keep their cashflow going with a new TA?

Hi

You make valid points just like I have. Perhaps, you need to accept that there are times as per my post, it happens for some of the reasons I mentioned. We are all different.  I'm sure a good LL has considered their options and then act.

What you said about the bad scenario if/when T told to leave via S21, it happens and it also happens from almost the outset of a tenancy and thats the risks LL have to take and often end up thousands out of pocket.

People have their reasons to request rolling/fixed terms and if the LL &T can't come to an agreement, it often ends with a S21.

I would agree that o one in their right mind would want to lose a good T but I've posted some possible reasos they may.

Thnaks

Section62

diystarter7 said:

We have a property or two to rent out,

In case the OP (or anyone else) is unsure which advice on this thread is good advice, and the number of positive responses @_Penny_Dreadful has received doesn't make it sufficiently clear, I would politely suggest that one of the first things a knowledgeable landlord would have absolutely clear in their mind is how many properties they have.

These threads are talking about people's homes. Making people move out of their home for no particular reason, or making them live under the constant cloud that the end of their fixed-term may mean more worry and cost over finding somewhere else to live, are serious issues.  It would be good if people posting ideas and suggestions on threads like this took a moment to think how serious the potential consequences of their advice may be on other people's lives.

This subject (in general) involves real people who may be vulnerable - it is really important for the advice given here to be good advice.