MOT results and expiry?

Aretnap

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MalMonroe said:

 if their car fails the MOT, it is immediately deemed to be no longer road legal, regardless of how long the previous MOT’s validity has remaining."

This is correct, because a failed MOT means it is unroadworthy at the time of test. e.g. it has a bald tyre or a headlight doesn't work

Being slightly pedantic this isn't necessarily true either. It's the condition of the car that makes it unroadworthy - not the fact that it has just failed an MOT. MOT testers are not infallible and a fail represents someone's opinion that the car is unroadworthy (albeit a fairly well qualified someone), not an absolute statement of fact that it's unroadworthy.

If your tester fails your car and tells you that it has four bald tyres, brake pads worn down to the rivets and a steering column which is about to snap then if you think he's talking rubbish you can drive it perfectly legally - but only if you are right. (I don't of course recommend that you actually do this).

SpudGunPaul

MalMonroe said:

SpudGunPaul said:

Grey_Critic said:

Might be me but I would not be driving my car if it did not have an MOT Road Tax or Insurance.

Reading the comments here it looks like I am out of step.

Where has anyone said they haven’t got an MOT?

The car has failed its MOT. So it doesn't have one now.

Read the OP, it's got an MOT until the middle of February. 

diystarter7

Hi
So, my beleife was fully correct when I first asked the question here, ie car goes for mot, has a red fail ie repair required now/not road worthy.

Though we have never had a failed mot in part due to new cars used to sell them by the 3rd year and when we do keep them the cars are inn tip top shape so if there is a fault it would be a minor and allowed to use the exsiting mot but would renew

So I was correct all along and no Mr Malmonroe has confirmed that, ie if a car fails  mot test on a red, it is not road legal. Those trying to counter that, not sure why when the evidence is clear and may confuse others reading this thread

Thanks

molerat

diystarter7 said:

Hi
So, my beleife was fully correct when I first asked the question here, ie car goes for mot, has a red fail ie repair required now/not road worthy.

Though we have never had a failed mot in part due to new cars used to sell them by the 3rd year and when we do keep them the cars are inn tip top shape so if there is a fault it would be a minor and allowed to use the exsiting mot but would renew

So I was correct all along and no Mr Malmonroe has confirmed that, ie if a car fails  mot test on a red, it is not road legal. Those trying to counter that, not sure why when the evidence is clear and may confuse others reading this thread

Thanks

You and MM are just confusing the issue, no one has said what you are implying. The car was not roadworthy / not road legal before it was taken for the MOT and there was a possibility of being prosecuted for driving a car in that condition.  The MOT status is pretty much irrelevant, roadworthiness and MOT status are 2 completely different items.  If there was an MOT on the vehicle that had not time expired then you could not be prosecuted for no MOT.  An example was also given with failing the early MOT only for 2 bald tyres.  Go next door and have the tyres replaced.  The car is then roadworthy and still has a current MOT even before being retested.

diystarter7

molerat said:

diystarter7 said:

Hi
So, my beleife was fully correct when I first asked the question here, ie car goes for mot, has a red fail ie repair required now/not road worthy.

Though we have never had a failed mot in part due to new cars used to sell them by the 3rd year and when we do keep them the cars are inn tip top shape so if there is a fault it would be a minor and allowed to use the exsiting mot but would renew

So I was correct all along and no Mr Malmonroe has confirmed that, ie if a car fails  mot test on a red, it is not road legal. Those trying to counter that, not sure why when the evidence is clear and may confuse others reading this thread

Thanks

The car was not roadworthy / not road legal before it was taken for the MOT and there was a possibility of being prosecuted for driving a car in that condition.  The MOT status is pretty much irrelevant.  If there was an MOT on the vehicle that had not time expired then you could not be prosecuted for no MOT.  An example was also given with the 2 bald tyres.  Go next door and have the tyres replaced.  The car is then roadworthy and still has a current MOT.

Hi

Sorry, but what is your point as this has already been agreed? as I was clearly not talking about the car being fixed. It was amore a case of driving away having noted bald tyres/etc with an mot that had not  yet expired there the car is not road legal. If the driver then injured/killed/damaged etc and insurance would soon find out that the car had a red warning fault and driver choose to drive away - so what good is the mot then?

The mot is very relevant when the driver is driving to the mot station if still valid but not afterwards if a red fault is highlighted and here i am not talking re something blatantly obvious.

Either wayh, there is no way I'd take my car out of a garge if red faulted or a minor one for that other than a possilbe jamming o a seat belt and not use that seat until fixed

Thanks

jimjames

diystarter7 said:

Hi
So, my beleife was fully correct when I first asked the question here, ie car goes for mot, has a red fail ie repair required now/not road worthy.

There is no such thing as a red fail. It passes or it fails an MOT. If you've never had a failed MOT you've clearly not seen what a certificate looks like.

mrcactus

Thanks for all your comments. The dangerous defect was the tyres, had them fixed same day. MOT guy said I can drive until it comes back to have the major defect done which was the anti roll bar ball joint.

My MOT certificate runs out on the 13th Feb. It says fail on the directGOV MOT check page. So I can drive my car?

Obviously if I get pulled, they wont look at my anti roll bar ball joints. They will check the tyres and see they are ok. but will they say there's a fail on it but on directGOV it says certificate valid until the 13th Feb.

Car_54

mrcactus said:

Thanks for all your comments. The dangerous defect was the tyres, had them fixed same day. MOT guy said I can drive until it comes back to have the major defect done which was the anti roll bar ball joint.

My MOT certificate runs out on the 13th Feb. It says fail on the directGOV MOT check page. So I can drive my car?

Obviously if I get pulled, they wont look at my anti roll bar ball joints. They will check the tyres and see they are ok. but will they say there's a fail on it but on directGOV it says certificate valid until the 13th Feb.

You can drive, you have a valid MoT certificate. If the police point to the dangerous fault on the system, you can show them the new tyres.

SpudGunPaul

diystarter7 said:

molerat said:

diystarter7 said:

Hi
So, my beleife was fully correct when I first asked the question here, ie car goes for mot, has a red fail ie repair required now/not road worthy.

Though we have never had a failed mot in part due to new cars used to sell them by the 3rd year and when we do keep them the cars are inn tip top shape so if there is a fault it would be a minor and allowed to use the exsiting mot but would renew

So I was correct all along and no Mr Malmonroe has confirmed that, ie if a car fails  mot test on a red, it is not road legal. Those trying to counter that, not sure why when the evidence is clear and may confuse others reading this thread

Thanks

The car was not roadworthy / not road legal before it was taken for the MOT and there was a possibility of being prosecuted for driving a car in that condition.  The MOT status is pretty much irrelevant.  If there was an MOT on the vehicle that had not time expired then you could not be prosecuted for no MOT.  An example was also given with the 2 bald tyres.  Go next door and have the tyres replaced.  The car is then roadworthy and still has a current MOT.

Hi

Sorry, but what is your point as this has already been agreed? as I was clearly not talking about the car being fixed. It was amore a case of driving away having noted bald tyres/etc with an mot that had not  yet expired there the car is not road legal. If the driver then injured/killed/damaged etc and insurance would soon find out that the car had a red warning fault and driver choose to drive away - so what good is the mot then?

The mot is very relevant when the driver is driving to the mot station if still valid but not afterwards if a red fault is highlighted and here i am not talking re something blatantly obvious.

Either wayh, there is no way I'd take my car out of a garge if red faulted or a minor one for that other than a possilbe jamming o a seat belt and not use that seat until fixed

Thanks

It's as valid on the way home as it is on the way there, even if it fails for a serious fault. It's no more unroadworthy on the way home, the only difference being there is a record of the fault on the MOT system and a fail against the car. It still has an MOT until the old one expires. 

SpudGunPaul

diystarter7 said:

Hi
So, my beleife was fully correct when I first asked the question here, ie car goes for mot, has a red fail ie repair required now/not road worthy.

Though we have never had a failed mot in part due to new cars used to sell them by the 3rd year and when we do keep them the cars are inn tip top shape so if there is a fault it would be a minor and allowed to use the exsiting mot but would renew

So I was correct all along and no Mr Malmonroe has confirmed that, ie if a car fails  mot test on a red, it is not road legal. Those trying to counter that, not sure why when the evidence is clear and may confuse others reading this thread

Thanks

A fail is a fail, why do you think the MOT is still valid when you have said it isn't for a serious fault. 

You do know the difference between an in date MOT and an unroadworthy fault don't you?