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Catheters / carers and pip

Cheesephetamine
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if Someone needs to use continence pads 24h a day AND they get a carer to catheterise them 2 to 5 times a day (intermittent urinary catheter) would that fall into toilet needs, managing therapy or both? How many point if they mark it correctly?
if Someone needs to use continence pads 24h a day AND they get a carer to catheterise them 2 to 5 times a day (intermittent urinary catheter) would that fall into toilet needs, managing therapy or both? How many point if they mark it correctly?
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Have a look at
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/personal-independence-payment-assessment-guide-for-assessment-providers/pip-assessment-guide-part-2-the-assessment-criteria
and see whether you can find any guidance in that.Information I post is for England unless otherwise stated. Some rules may be different in other parts of UK.1 -
A catheter doesn't come under managing therapy so no points can be scored for that. It may fall into managing toilet needs but check the link above.
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It HAS to come under toileting needs. It is a toilet aidTOTAL DEBT JUNE 2019: £38,233.87 Aiming debt free mid 2023. All bad debt written off / paid by January 2023. No missed payments in 2023. Only one active credit card to pay off! I DID IT 🎉0
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i think this is going come down as "Needs assistance to be able to manage incontinence of either bladder or bowel" which is 6 points.
Information I post is for England unless otherwise stated. Some rules may be different in other parts of UK.0 -
The issue here would be whether they NEED someone for the intermittent catheterisation or whether they could do it themselves most of the time (safely and reliably of course). So they'd have to explain why they need help with it, as intermittent catheterisation isn't inherently something that has to be done by someone else.
The link calcotti provided will help, do make sure to read the relevant section.1 -
Spoonie_Turtle said:The issue here would be whether they NEED someone for the intermittent catheterisation or whether they could do it themselves most of the time (safely and reliably of course). So they'd have to explain why they need help with it, as intermittent catheterisation isn't inherently something that has to be done by someone else.Information I post is for England unless otherwise stated. Some rules may be different in other parts of UK.0
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Having the need to use pads should be classed as an aid - so the base score should be 2 points for toileting needs.
As spoonie says the 6 point descriptor would hinge on why they can't reliably do it themselves - therefore the importance of putting full information on the PIP form.
Look at pages 101 on:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1092461/pip-assessment-guide-part-2-assessment-criteria.pdf
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But the catheter being put in by a carer would count as needing someone else to manage toileting needs so superseded the pads I expectTOTAL DEBT JUNE 2019: £38,233.87 Aiming debt free mid 2023. All bad debt written off / paid by January 2023. No missed payments in 2023. Only one active credit card to pay off! I DID IT 🎉0
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And it is also needing someone to manage therapy (as a catheter is therapy) so I don’t see why it wouldn’t count in both descriptorsTOTAL DEBT JUNE 2019: £38,233.87 Aiming debt free mid 2023. All bad debt written off / paid by January 2023. No missed payments in 2023. Only one active credit card to pay off! I DID IT 🎉0
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Cheesephetamine said:But the catheter being put in by a carer would count as needing someone else to manage toileting needs so superseded the pads I expectCheesephetamine said:And it is also needing someone to manage therapy (as a catheter is therapy) so I don’t see why it wouldn’t count in both descriptors
(If it were required for urethral dilation for a certain condition perhaps, not when needing to empty the bladder, then that could be argued to be therapy BUT that would be an activity with a distinct purpose, dilation using catheters, addressing a different need - not addressing the immediate toileting need to empty the bladder.)
There is also case law about this
https://www.gov.uk/administrative-appeals-tribunal-decisions/as-v-secretary-of-state-for-work-and-pensions-pip-2017-ukut-104-aac
https://pipinfo.net/activities/managing-toilet-needs-or-incontinence1
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