Catheters / carers and pip

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if Someone needs to use continence pads 24h a day AND they get a carer to catheterise them 2 to 5 times a day (intermittent urinary catheter) would that fall into toilet needs, managing therapy or both? How many point if they mark it correctly?
if Someone needs to use continence pads 24h a day AND they get a carer to catheterise them 2 to 5 times a day (intermittent urinary catheter) would that fall into toilet needs, managing therapy or both? How many point if they mark it correctly?
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https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/personal-independence-payment-assessment-guide-for-assessment-providers/pip-assessment-guide-part-2-the-assessment-criteria
and see whether you can find any guidance in that.
The link calcotti provided will help, do make sure to read the relevant section.
As spoonie says the 6 point descriptor would hinge on why they can't reliably do it themselves - therefore the importance of putting full information on the PIP form.
Look at pages 101 on:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1092461/pip-assessment-guide-part-2-assessment-criteria.pdf
You need to read the link, it is not therapy when the purpose is to empty the bladder, as is the usual purpose.
(If it were required for urethral dilation for a certain condition perhaps, not when needing to empty the bladder, then that could be argued to be therapy BUT that would be an activity with a distinct purpose, dilation using catheters, addressing a different need - not addressing the immediate toileting need to empty the bladder.)
There is also case law about this
https://www.gov.uk/administrative-appeals-tribunal-decisions/as-v-secretary-of-state-for-work-and-pensions-pip-2017-ukut-104-aac
https://pipinfo.net/activities/managing-toilet-needs-or-incontinence