Can a smart meter be forced?

alleycat`

[Deleted User] said:

SMETS2 meters have been rolled out now for nearly 4 years, and 10s of millions of these smart meters are working with no problems whatsoever. Sadly, too many posters think that what is written on these forums by a few is indicative of widespread smart meter problems. 

When it comes to meters and end-of-life, suppliers have a statutory duty to provide consumers with a certificated meter under The Gas and Electricity Acts. 

Agreed.

I don't have a single argument against meter replacement by the EOL or with a smets2 device. I didn't resist having it done when the time came (circa 5 months ago) nor am i suggesting anyone should. I would have pushed back at the initial smets1 inception, and i suspect a lot of the resistance is a hold over to the way it was done initially.

luvchocolate

I had a 32 year old gas meter replaced end of last month due to a small leak. 
I request a non smart meter which was fitted no problem 

[Deleted User]

There isn't anything that my smets2 meters gives me that i didn't have previously. In the future maybe that will change.

My smart meters have given me cheaper prices for the past 3 1/2 years.

Spoonie_Turtle

Dolor said:

There isn't anything that my smets2 meters gives me that i didn't have previously. In the future maybe that will change.

My smart meters have given me cheaper prices for the past 3 1/2 years.

Or, more accurately (sorry to be a pedant) they've given you access to different/cheaper tariffs.

Gerry1

Spoonie_Turtle said:

Dolor said:

There isn't anything that my smets2 meters gives me that i didn't have previously. In the future maybe that will change.

My smart meters have given me cheaper prices for the past 3 1/2 years.

Or, more accurately (sorry to be a pedant) they've given you access to different/cheaper tariffs.

Or, even more accurately, the energy companies are penalising those who don't have smart meters, not to mention the £400+ they're having to pay for the rollout.

Spoonie_Turtle

Gerry1 said:

Spoonie_Turtle said:

Dolor said:

There isn't anything that my smets2 meters gives me that i didn't have previously. In the future maybe that will change.

My smart meters have given me cheaper prices for the past 3 1/2 years.

Or, more accurately (sorry to be a pedant) they've given you access to different/cheaper tariffs.

Or, even more accurately, the energy companies are penalising those who don't have smart meters, not to mention the £400+ they're having to pay for the rollout.

Prices for non-smart tariffs haven't been arbitrarily increased though.  The smart tariffs are in addition to the existing default, not replacements yet.

How do you propose non-smart meters access the smart time-of-use tariffs?  (Not the existing E7, E10 and other types of complex tariffs that are already available to non-smart physically different meters.)

Gerry1

Ah, time-of-use tariffs.  AKA surge pricing...

[Deleted User]

Our French cousins made smart meters mandatory and they are now penalising those who refuse to have one and fail to provide a meter reading once per year. 

‘Not having a Linky smart meter in your home in France from January 1, 2023 could cost you up to €50 more in energy bills per year, a new rule states.

From next year, if you have refused to install a Linky smart electricity meter in your home, an Not having a Linky smart meter in your home in France from January 1, 2023 could cost you up to €50 more in energy bills per year, a new rule states.

From next year, if you have refused to install a Linky smart electricity meter in your home, and if you have not sent an update of your meter reading for at least a year, you will have to pay extra to cover the service.

The charge will be €8.30 every two months. This equals €49.80 per year. Up to 3.8 million people could be affected.’

Spoonie_Turtle

Gerry1 said:

Ah, time-of-use tariffs.  AKA surge pricing...

Well I am very open to being educated (that's why I'm on this board).  What sort of tariffs should there be for non-smart meters to put them on an even footing with smart tariffs?

wild666

A friend has an email stating his meters are certified until either 2027 or 2037 I cannot remember which so he is resisting changing to that date by which time his meters will be at least 45 years old if not 55 years old. Until he got the email, earlier this year, he was getting at least 2 email or texts per week with requests or demands his meter was to be changed. As he has an email from the company stating a certification date he is hold out as long as possible before they can be changed. 

IMO I think they will go after those who have meters reading in ft.3 first as they are the oldest type of meters still in use and if as stated the period is 10 to 15 years that they are certified for then the companies will want to replace them first.