Car hit my front drive wall

Herzlos

A crime reference number just means the desk officer has put it in the system, it doesn't mean they agree that there's any actual crime.

So it won't hurt to report it with the details, and get a reference number in case it becomes important later.

DullGreyGuy

Herzlos said:

A crime reference number just means the desk officer has put it in the system, it doesn't mean they agree that there's any actual crime.

So it won't hurt to report it with the details, and get a reference number in case it becomes important later.

Tell that to the desk officer that refused to log my stolen briefcase as a crime stating that it was "lost property" because I didnt see the thief take it. Even when my car was broken into I was told to see if my insurer needed a reference number or not before they'd register it (different police force)

If a CRN is issued it forms part of their performance stats and certainly some are reluctant to issue them out for cases where no action will be taken or no prospects of success. 

SergeantBaker

Herzlos said:

A crime reference number just means the desk officer has put it in the system, it doesn't mean they agree that there's any actual crime.

So it won't hurt to report it with the details, and get a reference number in case it becomes important later.

You're wrong an incident number means it's recorded on their system, a crime number means they've recorded a crime. There isn't a crime to record here. 

The OP has tried to report it and been fobbed off. 

SergeantBaker

DullGreyGuy said:

Herzlos said:

A crime reference number just means the desk officer has put it in the system, it doesn't mean they agree that there's any actual crime.

So it won't hurt to report it with the details, and get a reference number in case it becomes important later.

Tell that to the desk officer that refused to log my stolen briefcase as a crime stating that it was "lost property" because I didnt see the thief take it. Even when my car was broken into I was told to see if my insurer needed a reference number or not before they'd register it (different police force)

If a CRN is issued it forms part of their performance stats and certainly some are reluctant to issue them out for cases where no action will be taken or no prospects of success. 

They're mean to record all offences where there's evidence of a crime subject to recording.  Regardless of lines of enquiry or success. 

DullGreyGuy

SergeantBaker said:

DullGreyGuy said:

Herzlos said:

A crime reference number just means the desk officer has put it in the system, it doesn't mean they agree that there's any actual crime.

So it won't hurt to report it with the details, and get a reference number in case it becomes important later.

Tell that to the desk officer that refused to log my stolen briefcase as a crime stating that it was "lost property" because I didnt see the thief take it. Even when my car was broken into I was told to see if my insurer needed a reference number or not before they'd register it (different police force)

If a CRN is issued it forms part of their performance stats and certainly some are reluctant to issue them out for cases where no action will be taken or no prospects of success. 

They're mean to record all offences where there's evidence of a crime subject to recording.  Regardless of lines of enquiry or success. 

What is deemed "evidence of a crime"?

I stated that my briefcase was taken without my consent whilst it was under a table I was sat at with a friend and their response was that with no witnesses to it being taken its lost property. The venue had CCTV but as the police would only record it as lost property they clearly werent going to be getting a copy of the footage to see if there was evidence of someone taking it. Given it had neither legs nor wheels I'd have thought its disappearance was evidence of theft but appears I was wrong.

Whilst all crimes are meant to be recorded, I think in reality there is some effort to avoid recording some, at least in my experience.

SergeantBaker

DullGreyGuy said:

SergeantBaker said:

DullGreyGuy said:

Herzlos said:

A crime reference number just means the desk officer has put it in the system, it doesn't mean they agree that there's any actual crime.

So it won't hurt to report it with the details, and get a reference number in case it becomes important later.

Tell that to the desk officer that refused to log my stolen briefcase as a crime stating that it was "lost property" because I didnt see the thief take it. Even when my car was broken into I was told to see if my insurer needed a reference number or not before they'd register it (different police force)

If a CRN is issued it forms part of their performance stats and certainly some are reluctant to issue them out for cases where no action will be taken or no prospects of success. 

They're mean to record all offences where there's evidence of a crime subject to recording.  Regardless of lines of enquiry or success. 

What is deemed "evidence of a crime"?

I stated that my briefcase was taken without my consent whilst it was under a table I was sat at with a friend and their response was that with no witnesses to it being taken its lost property. The venue had CCTV but as the police would only record it as lost property they clearly werent going to be getting a copy of the footage to see if there was evidence of someone taking it. Given it had neither legs nor wheels I'd have thought its disappearance was evidence of theft but appears I was wrong.

Whilst all crimes are meant to be recorded, I think in reality there is some effort to avoid recording some, at least in my experience.

Where's the evidence it was dishonestly appropriated and not mistakenly removed as lost property?

Anyway the loss of your bag doesn't help the OP.

m0bov

SergeantBaker said:

m0bov said:

Make sure you get a crime number as well for your case.

There’s been no offence committed that requires a crime report so there won’t be a crime number given. 

Falling to stop, damage only.

SergeantBaker

m0bov said:

SergeantBaker said:

m0bov said:

Make sure you get a crime number as well for your case.

There’s been no offence committed that requires a crime report so there won’t be a crime number given. 

Falling to stop, damage only.

What about it?

m0bov

SergeantBaker said:

DullGreyGuy said:

SergeantBaker said:

DullGreyGuy said:

Herzlos said:

A crime reference number just means the desk officer has put it in the system, it doesn't mean they agree that there's any actual crime.

So it won't hurt to report it with the details, and get a reference number in case it becomes important later.

Tell that to the desk officer that refused to log my stolen briefcase as a crime stating that it was "lost property" because I didnt see the thief take it. Even when my car was broken into I was told to see if my insurer needed a reference number or not before they'd register it (different police force)

If a CRN is issued it forms part of their performance stats and certainly some are reluctant to issue them out for cases where no action will be taken or no prospects of success. 

They're mean to record all offences where there's evidence of a crime subject to recording.  Regardless of lines of enquiry or success. 

What is deemed "evidence of a crime"?

I stated that my briefcase was taken without my consent whilst it was under a table I was sat at with a friend and their response was that with no witnesses to it being taken its lost property. The venue had CCTV but as the police would only record it as lost property they clearly werent going to be getting a copy of the footage to see if there was evidence of someone taking it. Given it had neither legs nor wheels I'd have thought its disappearance was evidence of theft but appears I was wrong.

Whilst all crimes are meant to be recorded, I think in reality there is some effort to avoid recording some, at least in my experience.

Where's the evidence it was dishonestly appropriated and not mistakenly removed as lost property?

Anyway the loss of your bag doesn't help the OP.

Your spreading false information. An accident has occurred, you give details.

SergeantBaker

m0bov said:

SergeantBaker said:

DullGreyGuy said:

SergeantBaker said:

DullGreyGuy said:

Herzlos said:

A crime reference number just means the desk officer has put it in the system, it doesn't mean they agree that there's any actual crime.

So it won't hurt to report it with the details, and get a reference number in case it becomes important later.

Tell that to the desk officer that refused to log my stolen briefcase as a crime stating that it was "lost property" because I didnt see the thief take it. Even when my car was broken into I was told to see if my insurer needed a reference number or not before they'd register it (different police force)

If a CRN is issued it forms part of their performance stats and certainly some are reluctant to issue them out for cases where no action will be taken or no prospects of success. 

They're mean to record all offences where there's evidence of a crime subject to recording.  Regardless of lines of enquiry or success. 

What is deemed "evidence of a crime"?

I stated that my briefcase was taken without my consent whilst it was under a table I was sat at with a friend and their response was that with no witnesses to it being taken its lost property. The venue had CCTV but as the police would only record it as lost property they clearly werent going to be getting a copy of the footage to see if there was evidence of someone taking it. Given it had neither legs nor wheels I'd have thought its disappearance was evidence of theft but appears I was wrong.

Whilst all crimes are meant to be recorded, I think in reality there is some effort to avoid recording some, at least in my experience.

Where's the evidence it was dishonestly appropriated and not mistakenly removed as lost property?

Anyway the loss of your bag doesn't help the OP.

Your spreading false information. An accident has occurred, you give details.

He has but what the loss of a bag got to do with it?

There's been no offence involving the OP that is subject of the police needing to record a crime.