Rights of sat next to someone with COVID

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Murphy_The_Cat said:

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DullGreyGuy said:

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Masks are mandatory on this flight, but of course a lot of people use rubbish masks that offer little protection, or just don't wear them properly with nose hanging out.

I'll likely wear an FFP3 mask, even if it is going to be for 16+ hours all said and done. Not sure about meals, I'll have to evaluate how risky it is at the time.

This is ANA and I think they probably will do a reasonable job of enforcing mask wearing, but obviously meal times are an issue. It's a long flight but not eating is an option, or maybe only having snacks when everyone else has their masks on.

To be frank it probably depends on the ratio of British to Japanese passengers, in terms of how complaint people are.

Hi rigolith

I'm shortly taking several longhaul flights with ANA and from what I've read elsewhere (flyertalk is a good resource), the cabin crew will enforce the mask rules.  From the ANA website, "Requests for customers on International flights :
On ANA international flights, including code-share flights, the wearing of masks with an exhalation valve, face shields, or mouth shields may not be permitted, in accordance with the laws and regulations of your destination. Please make sure to check the information by yourself before departure." - your FFFP3 mask may be a non-starter.

I also spotted this "Please note that we may deny boarding to customers who are not wearing a mask or facial covering and those who have a fever or are otherwise unwell."

https://www.ana.co.jp/en/jp/topics/coronavirus-travel-information/busy-periods/ 

p.s. I'm less than happy at having to wear a face mask for an extended period of time - but if them's the airline rules, I'll have to suck it up !

Thanks, I had read that bit on ANA which is why I will bring another non-valve FFP3 mask along. It doesn't fit quite as well for me, but still better than a cloth mask.

My hope is that if I place a cloth mask over the valved mask it will be okay. After all, it's no worse than just wearing the cloth mask on its own. I did try to get the version without a valve, but it's out of stock everywhere at the moment.

It's not ideal having to wear a mask for 15+ hours, but you get used to it. I'll have a look at that website too.

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Murphy_The_Cat said:

rigolith said:

Coincidentally I had an email from the airline today, inviting me to bid on an upgrade to Premium Economy. Not sure what to make of it, apparently they have some spare premium economy seats going so maybe it's not so jam packed. They are suggesting a bid of about £200 for each flight (outbound and return) but of course that might not be enough to win.

I've flown Premium Economy on ANA before and it wasn't really worth the upgrade. You get slightly more leg room and better headphones, served your meal first and a slightly better selection. It's still airline food though, and on ANA even the economy legroom is reasonable. The seats are a little better, I'll give them that.

I'd pay it if they pumped more fresh air into the Premium Economy cabin. The cockpit gets 100% fresh air that is cycled faster than the passenger cabins, not least so that in the event of a fire the air pressure keeps the smoke out.

Opening a free account with expertflyer will let you log onto your flights and you'll be able to get a very good idea of flight loadings (you'll need the paid version to get a much more accurate idea).

Another extra with ANA Prem economy is that you can use the Biz class longues as well (I think that you get extra baggage as well, but not 100% certain).

I'm big on looking at value over cost and if you can get the upgrade for £200, it looks like you're going to get quite a bit.********

****** double check, then triple check the APD if your flight is originating in the UK.  If so, you could get stiffed for an additional £176.

That would make the (longer) return leg much better value. 

I have heard that the lounges can actually be worse for COVID safety. Depends how busy they are I guess.

And yes, they will add APD on if I upgrade. The lowest you can bid is 20k yen, and then there is 17k yen APD on top of that. For 20k yen I'd jump at it, but the site is kind of implying that you need to bid at last 35k yen to stand much chance of winning the auction.

Murphy_The_Cat

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Murphy_The_Cat said:

[Deleted User] said:

Coincidentally I had an email from the airline today, inviting me to bid on an upgrade to Premium Economy. Not sure what to make of it, apparently they have some spare premium economy seats going so maybe it's not so jam packed. They are suggesting a bid of about £200 for each flight (outbound and return) but of course that might not be enough to win.

I've flown Premium Economy on ANA before and it wasn't really worth the upgrade. You get slightly more leg room and better headphones, served your meal first and a slightly better selection. It's still airline food though, and on ANA even the economy legroom is reasonable. The seats are a little better, I'll give them that.

I'd pay it if they pumped more fresh air into the Premium Economy cabin. The cockpit gets 100% fresh air that is cycled faster than the passenger cabins, not least so that in the event of a fire the air pressure keeps the smoke out.

Opening a free account with expertflyer will let you log onto your flights and you'll be able to get a very good idea of flight loadings (you'll need the paid version to get a much more accurate idea).

Another extra with ANA Prem economy is that you can use the Biz class longues as well (I think that you get extra baggage as well, but not 100% certain).

I'm big on looking at value over cost and if you can get the upgrade for £200, it looks like you're going to get quite a bit.********

****** double check, then triple check the APD if your flight is originating in the UK.  If so, you could get stiffed for an additional £176.

That would make the (longer) return leg much better value. 

I have heard that the lounges can actually be worse for COVID safety. Depends how busy they are I guess.

And yes, they will add APD on if I upgrade. The lowest you can bid is 20k yen, and then there is 17k yen APD on top of that. For 20k yen I'd jump at it, but the site is kind of implying that you need to bid at last 35k yen to stand much chance of winning the auction.

With the APD added on, it starts getting pricey.  For the return trip, if you can find a quiet corner in the longue at HND, you could be onto a winner.

CKhalvashi

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Murphy_The_Cat said:

[Deleted User] said:

DullGreyGuy said:

[Deleted User] said:

Masks are mandatory on this flight, but of course a lot of people use rubbish masks that offer little protection, or just don't wear them properly with nose hanging out.

I'll likely wear an FFP3 mask, even if it is going to be for 16+ hours all said and done. Not sure about meals, I'll have to evaluate how risky it is at the time.

This is ANA and I think they probably will do a reasonable job of enforcing mask wearing, but obviously meal times are an issue. It's a long flight but not eating is an option, or maybe only having snacks when everyone else has their masks on.

To be frank it probably depends on the ratio of British to Japanese passengers, in terms of how complaint people are.

Hi rigolith

I'm shortly taking several longhaul flights with ANA and from what I've read elsewhere (flyertalk is a good resource), the cabin crew will enforce the mask rules.  From the ANA website, "Requests for customers on International flights :
On ANA international flights, including code-share flights, the wearing of masks with an exhalation valve, face shields, or mouth shields may not be permitted, in accordance with the laws and regulations of your destination. Please make sure to check the information by yourself before departure." - your FFFP3 mask may be a non-starter.

I also spotted this "Please note that we may deny boarding to customers who are not wearing a mask or facial covering and those who have a fever or are otherwise unwell."

https://www.ana.co.jp/en/jp/topics/coronavirus-travel-information/busy-periods/ 

p.s. I'm less than happy at having to wear a face mask for an extended period of time - but if them's the airline rules, I'll have to suck it up !

Thanks, I had read that bit on ANA which is why I will bring another non-valve FFP3 mask along. It doesn't fit quite as well for me, but still better than a cloth mask.

My hope is that if I place a cloth mask over the valved mask it will be okay. After all, it's no worse than just wearing the cloth mask on its own. I did try to get the version without a valve, but it's out of stock everywhere at the moment.

It's not ideal having to wear a mask for 15+ hours, but you get used to it. I'll have a look at that website too.

I've traditionally put a cloth mask over a medical quality mask when flying, but apart from displaying a political emblem the cloth one wasn't really necessary.

The ones I have used have never been to FFP3 standard.

In addition just to point out, I've been on medication in the past that has caused severe dehydration and dry coughing, that cough has still not fully disappeared several years on. It is not necessarily something contagious that causes coughing and that needs to be taken into account.

sammynunes

The answer to this question is that you have the right not to go on a plane if you're too scared to travel in the company of others.

Maybe a private jet would be the answer but the pilot could infect you.

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sammynunes said:

The answer to this question is that you have the right not to go on a plane if you're too scared to travel in the company of others.

Maybe a private jet would be the answer but the pilot could infect you.

That clearly isn't the answer, as has already been explained. At least read the earlier posts before commenting.

photome

There are a lot of colds/coughs around at the moment but I don’t know anyone who has tested for Covid, and they are all carrying on as normal which would include travelling on public transport

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Sadly we seem to have given up trying to protect people. Hundreds of people a week dying.

Vulnerable people need holidays too. Even for normal people, it's not much fun having your holiday ruined by COVID.

Hopefully proper mask use it's enforced on the aircraft.

eskbanker

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Sadly we seem to have given up trying to protect people. Hundreds of people a week dying.

But where do you draw the line?  Obviously hundreds is better than the thousands it used to be, when the country was (mostly) prepared to put up with the disruptive and expensive crisis measures, but that was never going to be sustainable indefinitely, especially once the vaccine programme had its expected impact, so it's just a case of exactly when such restrictions were eased - that's not to say that everyone would agree the criteria or timing though!

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eskbanker said:

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Sadly we seem to have given up trying to protect people. Hundreds of people a week dying.

But where do you draw the line?  Obviously hundreds is better than the thousands it used to be, when the country was (mostly) prepared to put up with the disruptive and expensive crisis measures, but that was never going to be sustainable indefinitely, especially once the vaccine programme had its expected impact, so it's just a case of exactly when such restrictions were eased - that's not to say that everyone would agree the criteria or timing though!

If we followed the science we could have fewer deaths and just a simple mask mandate in high risk areas.

For example far UV is effective and cheap. Air filtration is effective and cheap.