Penalty Charges

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MEM62 said:

Ath_Wat said:

Your employer is clearly annoyed with the amount of time they take up dealing with PCNs for you and would prefer to get them out of the way quickly.  It's quite possible that someone has decided that if you can't appeal them, you might be less likely to get them in the first place.  You have no rights in this matter.

It is not always black and white.  In my last company we had a division that did household removals.  In many cases, particularly in London, parking the vehicles was problematic and parking tickets often incurred.  In some areas, such as Westminster, the cost for a parking exemption was higher than the cost of parking ticket if you go caught - so the risk was always taken.  You cannot always assume that the driver is just careless or nonchalant because they are penalized regularly.

With all the above said, if the company make the driver responsible for the cost, they should not deny him the right of appeal.       

If the driver parks lawfully (on a public road) or in accordance with the terms set out by the landowner (if on private property) then it should be a moot point as they are unlikely to incur any PCNs. 

Failing to do so could even be a disciplinary offence in some companies.

TBagpuss

TimX said:

penners324 said:

Maybe park in accordance with restrictions in place where you are

I am talking about PCNs where a camera shows incursion into a bus lane etc, so you recommend allowing ambulances, fire engines to wait their turn in the traffic ?

Yes. The ambulance can go into the bus lane to undertake you if appropriate

MEM62

Ath_Wat said:

MEM62 said:

Ath_Wat said:

Your employer is clearly annoyed with the amount of time they take up dealing with PCNs for you and would prefer to get them out of the way quickly.  It's quite possible that someone has decided that if you can't appeal them, you might be less likely to get them in the first place.  You have no rights in this matter.

It is not always black and white.  In my last company we had a division that did household removals.  In many cases, particularly in London, parking the vehicles was problematic and parking tickets often incurred.  In some areas, such as Westminster, the cost for a parking exemption was higher than the cost of parking ticket if you go caught - so the risk was always taken.  You cannot always assume that the driver is just careless or nonchalant because they are penalized regularly.

With all the above said, if the company make the driver responsible for the cost, they should not deny him the right of appeal.       

Really?  You would have had to pay for your own parking exemption to do company business? And therefore, as an employee you chose not to, but to take the risk?  That sounds extraordinarily poor on the part of the company.  If the parking exemption was necessary to do the work, they should have paid for it.

No, you have misunderstood.  

Some areas, Westminster in particular, have very restrictive parking.  If we were doing a household removal in the borough, we would apply for an exemption of the parking restrictions for that day so that the removal vehicle could be parked close enough to the residence.  I cannot remember the exact figures but, for augments sake, the cost of the exemption was £200 but if you did not apply for one and go caught, the parking ticket penalty was only £100.  In those cases, we did not bother applying for the exemption and the company just paid the parking ticket if we got one.      

Ath_Wat

MEM62 said:

Ath_Wat said:

MEM62 said:

Ath_Wat said:

Your employer is clearly annoyed with the amount of time they take up dealing with PCNs for you and would prefer to get them out of the way quickly.  It's quite possible that someone has decided that if you can't appeal them, you might be less likely to get them in the first place.  You have no rights in this matter.

It is not always black and white.  In my last company we had a division that did household removals.  In many cases, particularly in London, parking the vehicles was problematic and parking tickets often incurred.  In some areas, such as Westminster, the cost for a parking exemption was higher than the cost of parking ticket if you go caught - so the risk was always taken.  You cannot always assume that the driver is just careless or nonchalant because they are penalized regularly.

With all the above said, if the company make the driver responsible for the cost, they should not deny him the right of appeal.       

Really?  You would have had to pay for your own parking exemption to do company business? And therefore, as an employee you chose not to, but to take the risk?  That sounds extraordinarily poor on the part of the company.  If the parking exemption was necessary to do the work, they should have paid for it.

No, you have misunderstood.  

Some areas, Westminster in particular, have very restrictive parking.  If we were doing a household removal in the borough, we would apply for an exemption of the parking restrictions for that day so that the removal vehicle could be parked close enough to the residence.  I cannot remember the exact figures but, for augments sake, the cost of the exemption was £200 but if you did not apply for one and go caught, the parking ticket penalty was only £100.  In those cases, we did not bother applying for the exemption and the company just paid the parking ticket if we got one.      

Then I don't see why you replied to my post saying "it's not always black and white" - if the company is ordering you to park illegally and paying the fines, it's simply not remotely the same thing.  In the case we are discussing the company is telling people not to get tickets.