Definition of being broke..... whinge

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  • sheramber said:
    sheramber said:
    My 10 year old grandson wants the latestI I phone.

    He ain't getting one but it doesn't stop him wanting one.
    It's up to his parents to make the final decision and not the grandparents as Mrs Diy keeps on reminding me.

    Who said anything about who made the decision?

    However, it is  his parents who make the decision. Happy?
    So what was you saying when you posted and I quote, "he ain't getting one"? To be clear, you posted the comments as his grandparent and there was nothing to indicate the child's parents were saying that.
    Thanks.
    Surely it's quite obvious that parents and grandparents talk? I'd say you were the anomaly in thinking the grandparents set the rules from that small anecdote.
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  • RobM99
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    Ee oop Obidiah. Phone? Luxury. I remember a piece of string and two tin cans.

    Cans? You were lucky. We had two used polystyrene cups with 'oles in and a bit of barbed wire!
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    sheramber said:
    sheramber said:
    My 10 year old grandson wants the latestI I phone.

    He ain't getting one but it doesn't stop him wanting one.
    It's up to his parents to make the final decision and not the grandparents as Mrs Diy keeps on reminding me.

    Who said anything about who made the decision?

    However, it is  his parents who make the decision. Happy?
    So what was you saying when you posted and I quote, "he ain't getting one"? To be clear, you posted the comments as his grandparent and there was nothing to indicate the child's parents were saying that.
    Thanks.
    There is nothing to say I made the decision. I am not in the habit of deciding what my grandson can or can’t have. 
    You may have a different family relationship. 
  • pjcox2005 said:
    What's the definition of being broke?
    It is NOT "Not having sufficient funds to keep the up with the Jones's"
    ie) Not being able to upgrade to the latest iPhone or Electric Vehicle
    I heard a kid (aged about 10, complaining to his friend in a local shop, yesterday "My Dad has refused to buy a new iPhone because he's not got enough money, but I NEED a new one"
    I get fed up with people who dont understand how money works and how necessary it is for survival
    But, nobody actually "Starves to death" nowadays, unless there is another problem (ie health or mental)
    In the 19th century, things were far worse - there was no welfare state at all to fall back on - the best that a destitute person could expect was the workhouse, where you had to work, for example breaking rocks or picking oakam to earn your bowl of gruel - you would have slept in a bed, possibly its last resident died the previous day under the same sack blanket...........
    Consider yourselves lucky that there is a health service (which on the whole is pretty good and THERE FOR YOU in an emergency). And a welfare state that stops you from having to pick oakam



    You can pick holes in most things if you want to complain. I don't know if the 10 year old did need a new phone or not, but I know I spend lots on things I don't need and so do most of the population. A house with an extra bedroom, a higher value car, gadgets and accessories. 

    Doesn't mean people don't appreciate the other points that you've just lumped in together to get a response, although I do think more selfcare could be done to ease pressure on our public services and treat them with respect. 
    NO 10 year old kid NEEDS a new phone 
    They may want a new phone 
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    pjcox2005 said:
    What's the definition of being broke?
    It is NOT "Not having sufficient funds to keep the up with the Jones's"
    ie) Not being able to upgrade to the latest iPhone or Electric Vehicle
    I heard a kid (aged about 10, complaining to his friend in a local shop, yesterday "My Dad has refused to buy a new iPhone because he's not got enough money, but I NEED a new one"
    I get fed up with people who dont understand how money works and how necessary it is for survival
    But, nobody actually "Starves to death" nowadays, unless there is another problem (ie health or mental)
    In the 19th century, things were far worse - there was no welfare state at all to fall back on - the best that a destitute person could expect was the workhouse, where you had to work, for example breaking rocks or picking oakam to earn your bowl of gruel - you would have slept in a bed, possibly its last resident died the previous day under the same sack blanket...........
    Consider yourselves lucky that there is a health service (which on the whole is pretty good and THERE FOR YOU in an emergency). And a welfare state that stops you from having to pick oakam



    You can pick holes in most things if you want to complain. I don't know if the 10 year old did need a new phone or not, but I know I spend lots on things I don't need and so do most of the population. A house with an extra bedroom, a higher value car, gadgets and accessories. 

    Doesn't mean people don't appreciate the other points that you've just lumped in together to get a response, although I do think more selfcare could be done to ease pressure on our public services and treat them with respect. 
    NO 10 year old kid NEEDS a new phone 
    They may want a new phone 
    How many 10 year olds you know are careful in their precise use of language?  Do you think it is a new or a rare occurrence for a 10 year old talking to a friend in a shop to say "need" instead of "want"?  It's a meaningless casual exchange between a small child not thinking carefully about what he says and a friend.  Trying to read anything into it is ridiculous.
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    pjcox2005 said:
    What's the definition of being broke?
    It is NOT "Not having sufficient funds to keep the up with the Jones's"
    ie) Not being able to upgrade to the latest iPhone or Electric Vehicle
    I heard a kid (aged about 10, complaining to his friend in a local shop, yesterday "My Dad has refused to buy a new iPhone because he's not got enough money, but I NEED a new one"
    I get fed up with people who dont understand how money works and how necessary it is for survival
    But, nobody actually "Starves to death" nowadays, unless there is another problem (ie health or mental)
    In the 19th century, things were far worse - there was no welfare state at all to fall back on - the best that a destitute person could expect was the workhouse, where you had to work, for example breaking rocks or picking oakam to earn your bowl of gruel - you would have slept in a bed, possibly its last resident died the previous day under the same sack blanket...........
    Consider yourselves lucky that there is a health service (which on the whole is pretty good and THERE FOR YOU in an emergency). And a welfare state that stops you from having to pick oakam



    You can pick holes in most things if you want to complain. I don't know if the 10 year old did need a new phone or not, but I know I spend lots on things I don't need and so do most of the population. A house with an extra bedroom, a higher value car, gadgets and accessories. 

    Doesn't mean people don't appreciate the other points that you've just lumped in together to get a response, although I do think more selfcare could be done to ease pressure on our public services and treat them with respect. 
    NO 10 year old kid NEEDS a new phone 
    They may want a new phone 

    A phone might be that kids only TV, games console, books, music player, way to contact friends, and research tool. A 'new' phone to them might be an iPhone 5 with a working screen and speaker vs an iPhone 5 with a cracked screen and broken speaker. You just don't know. 

    You're right in that they can all hang out together on street corners for absolutely free without a phone between them - that's what I did. People complained about that too. 
  • Takedap
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    If everyone only bought things that they "need" & left the stuff that they only "want" the world's economies would crash.   Look at the businesses that were complaining loudest during the lockdown periods.  Bars, restaurants, hairdressers, theatres etc.   All non-residential spending.
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