Leaving job without notice

TELLIT01

The reason for staying and working your notice, or at least being willing to work your notice, is to avoid the potential problems outlined above.

DanDare999

Charlotte_Ca said:

TELLIT01 said:

Walking out without servicing the notice period, without getting the agreement of the employer, is certainly likely to impact on getting future employment.  Any potential employer is going to require references and, although many companies do not just give the minimum of start and end dates plus job title, in the given situation I suspect many would also add something to the effect of 'walked out without giving or serving notice period'.  It's a fallacy to believe a company cannot give a bad reference, they can as long as the content is accurate.

To be fair since I left I have spoken to a few recruiters and when they ask me why I left I say due to lack of training. A few of them said to me that they are already aware that this company doesn't offer good training as other people who have left complained about that as well.

So, if I don't know how to do a job and I'm still learning what's the reason of staying there to work my notice?

So you're not in breach of your contract. You may need a reference, list them as a previous employers. If you miss them off you'll need to cover any gaps on a cv, however if you do this be mindful of your P45 when starting your next job. If you go sick for your notice period be careful that doesn't disadvantage you. 

Undervalued

Charlotte_Ca said:

TELLIT01 said:

Walking out without servicing the notice period, without getting the agreement of the employer, is certainly likely to impact on getting future employment.  Any potential employer is going to require references and, although many companies do not just give the minimum of start and end dates plus job title, in the given situation I suspect many would also add something to the effect of 'walked out without giving or serving notice period'.  It's a fallacy to believe a company cannot give a bad reference, they can as long as the content is accurate.

To be fair since I left I have spoken to a few recruiters and when they ask me why I left I say due to lack of training. A few of them said to me that they are already aware that this company doesn't offer good training as other people who have left complained about that as well.

So, if I don't know how to do a job and I'm still learning what's the reason of staying there to work my notice?

That is for your employer to decide!

You are contractually obliged to give the agreed notice and there may be consequences if you don't.

If you are genuinely too unwell to work and your doctor signs you off sick that is another matter. You would be entitled to at least statutory sick pay plus you would be accruing holiday whist off sick, roughly one day for every two weeks.

You may be able to agree a shorter period of notice, or even none at all, with your employer if you ask.

Equally, if you just give the correct notice and the employer wants you to go sooner they are obliged to pay you in full for the notice period.

Charlotte_Ca

So could I have said something like "Due to health reasons I cannot come back to work and I would like to give my two months notice but I cannot work those two months as the doctor will sign me off"?. Could they disagree on that?

diystarter7

Charlotte_Ca said:

So could I have said something like "Due to health reasons I cannot come back to work and I would like to give my two months notice but I cannot work those two months as the doctor will sign me off"?. Could they disagree on that?

You could do that but they could summon you to see their own doc/professional for their own report. However, it will have to be with your consent. Stress is very difficult to disapprove at times. Stick to your guns and the reason you may be signed off on and tell them the doc told you to sign off sick and not come in and do a few hours here and there and or different job, thank you very much. Keep calm, remain strong and I think you are allowed an advocate/rep/etc but check if it comes to that and if they say no, ask why, what basis.

If you had no plans to leave then it may be worrying being called in like that as they could assess your 'capabilities' etc and even set you up to fail, covertly of course. As you are leaving I would not worry too much about it. However, caution is advised as your new employer may seek info on your sickness record etc.

I left work years ago, so not 100% whats what but there was a lot of nastiness where ever I worked because I took no BS but at times they did succeed in making my life miserable but I decided if I like the job and a couple of people there and it was loca and other stuff, i would not leave. In my last job I refused to be supervised by 2 people and I fought and won but it was hard work as the seniors have their little cliques. 

Why not speak with a union rep etc and see what they say.

diystarter7

NB: The name escaped me until now - the works clowns may have a meeting with your manager

/personal etc and maw want you to see 'occupational  health' -  (most of these people are pretty fair and understanding)

Good luck

DanDare999

Charlotte_Ca said:

So could I have said something like "Due to health reasons I cannot come back to work and I would like to give my two months notice but I cannot work those two months as the doctor will sign me off"?. Could they disagree on that?

They would want a note from your doctor.

Charlotte_Ca

diystarter7 said:

Charlotte_Ca said:

So could I have said something like "Due to health reasons I cannot come back to work and I would like to give my two months notice but I cannot work those two months as the doctor will sign me off"?. Could they disagree on that?

You could do that but they could summon you to see their own doc/professional for their own report. However, it will have to be with your consent. Stress is very difficult to disapprove at times. Stick to your guns and the reason you may be signed off on and tell them the doc told you to sign off sick and not come in and do a few hours here and there and or different job, thank you very much. Keep calm, remain strong and I think you are allowed an advocate/rep/etc but check if it comes to that and if they say no, ask why, what basis.

If you had no plans to leave then it may be worrying being called in like that as they could assess your 'capabilities' etc and even set you up to fail, covertly of course. As you are leaving I would not worry too much about it. However, caution is advised as your new employer may seek info on your sickness record etc.

I left work years ago, so not 100% whats what but there was a lot of nastiness where ever I worked because I took no BS but at times they did succeed in making my life miserable but I decided if I like the job and a couple of people there and it was loca and other stuff, i would not leave. In my last job I refused to be supervised by 2 people and I fought and won but it was hard work as the seniors have their little cliques. 

Why not speak with a union rep etc and see what they say.

Thanks for the info. To be fair I was so stressed with everything at that time and fed up with their behaviour so I just wanted to leave and not bother with them anymore. 

I will look at the union rep option so I can be covered if anything like that happens again in the future.

Undervalued

Charlotte_Ca said:

So could I have said something like "Due to health reasons I cannot come back to work and I would like to give my two months notice but I cannot work those two months as the doctor will sign me off"?. Could they disagree on that?

Providing the doctor does actually issue a "fit note" (i.e. sick note) saying that you are, in his opinion, too unwell to carry out any work then it is unlikely the employer will argue. They could ask for a second opinion, at their expense, but to be honest that is unlikely if you have handed in your notice. Virtually all company sick pay (if any) is "discretionary" so they could use their discretion and just pay SSP.

Charlotte_Ca

If I need to give a reference from my last job, can I just give the HR email address?

I've had two managers in my last job as I had two different roles. In the first role I was really good and didn't have any issues with the manager and I think he didn't have either because he never said anything to me. Personally, I felt like I was smashing it and was really good.

On the second one (they changed my role), I feel my relationship with the manager was a bit weird especially towards the end because when I was explaining to her that I cannot work due to stress and need some time off she was becoming a little bit angry towards me. I didn't like her anymore. Plus when I resigned I told her that I cannot work my 2 months notice due to health reasons. But, I always did my job right and the only complained she had was that I was not productive (that's their fault though bc they don't have good training).

So, I don't feel like giving her email for a reference at all. Shall I give the HR email or my first manager's email?