How to sort your plates being cloned (parking fine)?

NBLondon

Google Image Search for Hyundai White Satin Pearl:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=hyundai+white+satin+pearl&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi6kLjq0qb7AhWGEMAKHeA6CKIQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1920&bih=937&dpr=1

Looks like white to me...   If you want to rely on the possibility that a Hyundai dealer would describe a colour which has white in the name of the colour as something other than white to make your point...   a point which got lost several posts ago.

Grumpy_chap

NBLondon said:

Yes.  If the genuine car is a shade of white and the V5 says white and the car they are observing is a shade of white then I would expect the car to be stopped.  Any other statements of the bleeding obvious you'd care to make?

And that's a good reason for the driver to be able to easily show they are not the cloner by showing documentation.

If a car has the plates AB12ABC and those plates are marked for interest to the Police and that car then passes in front of an ANPR-equipped Police Officer, shouldn't the car be stopped regardless of what colour it is?
If the car should be yellow and the car is blue, then it is dodgy so stop it.
If the car should be yellow and the car is yellow, then it is the car that is wanted, so stop it.

shinytop

Grumpy_chap said:

NBLondon said:

Yes.  If the genuine car is a shade of white and the V5 says white and the car they are observing is a shade of white then I would expect the car to be stopped.  Any other statements of the bleeding obvious you'd care to make?

And that's a good reason for the driver to be able to easily show they are not the cloner by showing documentation.

If a car has the plates AB12ABC and those plates are marked for interest to the Police and that car then passes in front of an ANPR-equipped Police Officer, shouldn't the car be stopped regardless of what colour it is?
If the car should be yellow and the car is blue, then it is dodgy so stop it.
If the car should be yellow and the car is yellow, then it is the car that is wanted, so stop it.

My motorcycle plate got cloned last year and I got a parking ticket. The bike that cloned the plates was a different model to mine but the same make.  I got it cancelled no problem and reported to the police.  I was asked by the police to put a specific, small, visible marker on my plate so that if I was spotted I wouldn't be pulled but if the cloner was he would.  
 

DanDare999

NBLondon said:

Google Image Search for Hyundai White Satin Pearl:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=hyundai+white+satin+pearl&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi6kLjq0qb7AhWGEMAKHeA6CKIQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1920&bih=937&dpr=1

Looks like white to me...   If you want to rely on the possibility that a Hyundai dealer would describe a colour which has white in the name of the colour as something other than white to make your point...   a point which got lost several posts ago.

Ok you win, my point was looking at that colour would you sack them if they recorded it as grey or silver?

DanDare999

Grumpy_chap said:

NBLondon said:

Yes.  If the genuine car is a shade of white and the V5 says white and the car they are observing is a shade of white then I would expect the car to be stopped.  Any other statements of the bleeding obvious you'd care to make?

And that's a good reason for the driver to be able to easily show they are not the cloner by showing documentation.

If a car has the plates AB12ABC and those plates are marked for interest to the Police and that car then passes in front of an ANPR-equipped Police Officer, shouldn't the car be stopped regardless of what colour it is?
If the car should be yellow and the car is blue, then it is dodgy so stop it.
If the car should be yellow and the car is yellow, then it is the car that is wanted, so stop it.

It should be stopped regardless the first time. Once the genuine car is stopped anther method is often used but I'll let NBLondon tell you about that one as he's been a victim and I haven't. 

LunaLater

I (stupidly) showed my number plate on an Autotrader advert for my motorbike, and someone cloned my plate then started using bus lanes and riding up pedestrian streets.

I had to write to the local authorities who were fining me, and they flat-out refused to countenance my clearly true account if what had happened (I was fortunate that the bike’s mileage showed in one of the pictures, and had not used it since, so could pretty much prove that it wasn’t me / my bike) leaving me to have a Kafkaesque nightmare of bouncing back and forwards with the police only being willing to give me an incident number (no proof of a crime being committed) and the councils refusing to believe me without a crime number.

In the end the police caught the person on the cloned plates, were willing to email me stating this, and that finally got acceptance of what I was saying, but jt was not pleasant or sensible at all.

NBLondon

DanDare999 said:

Ok you win, my point was looking at that colour would you sack them if they recorded it as grey or silver?

Looking at the swatch only...  silver or grey would be a reasonable description.  Having the word white underneath it however.

Yes - names of colours can be misleading.  My Ford is actually a colour called Midnight Sky.  If you only have the name to go by - what would you guess? Black or very Dark Blue, perhaps?  It's actually a medium shade of grey with blue sparkles and looks grey in poor light and blue in bright sunlight.  The V5 says Grey.

NBLondon

Grumpy_chap said:

If a car has the plates AB12ABC and those plates are marked for interest to the Police and that car then passes in front of an ANPR-equipped Police Officer, shouldn't the car be stopped regardless of what colour it is?
If the car should be yellow and the car is blue, then it is dodgy so stop it.
If the car should be yellow and the car is yellow, then it is the car that is wanted, so stop it.

As I mused earlier.... If the marker just says "Check AB12ABC" then stop whatever the colour. If the marker says "Blue AB12ABC is a clone of genuine Yellow AB12 ABC" then stop the Blue one and leave the Yellow one perhaps?

NBLondon

DanDare999 said:

I'll let NBLondon tell you about that one as he's been a victim and I haven't. 

Dunno - I've been cloned but not actually stopped. So it could be that I've never been picked up on ANPR. Or that the marker explicitly says to stop a white car and ignore a grey one.  Or that the clone was caught last year and the marker removed without me knowing.