Administrative Earnings Threshold to rise for Universal Credit.. Help please

atlantis187

Sorry to but in but just wanted to ask is the AET definitely based on gross pay and not net pay 
so basically, your full pay before tax,ni and pension is taken off?

poppy12345

atlantis187 said:

Sorry to but in but just wanted to ask is the AET definitely based on gross pay and not net pay 
so basically, your full pay before tax,ni and pension is taken off?

Yes, had you read the 2nd comment of the first page you would have seen this.

calcotti said:

According to guidance AET and CET are based on gross employed earnings. Self employed earnings do not count.
https://data.parliament.uk/DepositedPapers/Files/DEP2022-0452/002-Administrative_and_Conditionality_Earnings_Thresholds_V7.0.pdf

(Note, this link hasn’t been updated to new figures.)

There was also previously an announcement that there will be a further rise in January or February but there have been so many changes in government that I have now lost track of who said it and have no idea whether or not it will still happen.

There's also other comments to confirm it further in the thread.

calcotti

atlantis187 said:

Sorry to but in but just wanted to ask is the AET definitely based on gross pay and not net pay 
so basically, your full pay before tax,ni and pension is taken off?

It would help if you read the thread before essentially repeating the question that started the thread. See this reply also

calcotti said:

I would refer the JobCentre to the guidance.

Refer also to

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1046459/adm-j2.pdf
Paragraph J2092.

and
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2013/376/regulation/90
Regulation 90(6) makes clear that for earnings thresholds the gross amount applies.

Alice_Holt

OP - Just wondering if a good way of raising this would be to put a note on the UC journal referencing the information and quoting the legislation calcotti has given.
Then when you talk to your JC you could draw their attention to the note, it may then be an easier conversation.

NedS

Alice_Holt said:

OP - Just wondering if a good way of raising this would be to put a note on the UC journal referencing the information and quoting the legislation calcotti has given.
Then when you talk to your JC you could draw their attention to the note, it may then be an easier conversation.

I would definitely do this - write a clearly composed post laying out the regulations and guidance. This is as much to ensure it is clearly laid out in writing on your claim, so when the work coach asks a decision maker to look at it, they can see the information in your post where you have hopefully guided them (in a nice/friendly way) to the guidance and the correct outcome.

nuanger

Alice_Holt said:

OP - Just wondering if a good way of raising this would be to put a note on the UC journal referencing the information and quoting the legislation calcotti has given.
Then when you talk to your JC you could draw their attention to the note, it may then be an easier conversation.

That's an idea,  just don't want to get their backs up thinking I'm doing their job for them,  though it seems many on here know more than them,  but yeah I'll give it a go.. 

nuanger

calcotti said:

NedS said:?.. in my experience decision makers only really look at the Advice for Decision Makers guides, and not the actual legislation. 

Use of gross figures for earnings thresholds is fully set out in paragraph J2092 as referenced in one of my earlier replies.

Hi,   I just had a call from JC,   he's saying if they take my earnings before tax,  then I will receive less universal credit,  he is still insisting it's net earnings..  I said I'll send him the link, but he said they will pay me less in that case.. 

calcotti

nuanger said:

calcotti said:

NedS said:?.. in my experience decision makers only really look at the Advice for Decision Makers guides, and not the actual legislation. 

Use of gross figures for earnings thresholds is fully set out in paragraph J2092 as referenced in one of my earlier replies.

Hi,   I just had a call from JC,   he's saying if they take my earnings before tax,  then I will receive less universal credit,  he is still insisting it's net earnings..  I said I'll send him the link, but he said they will pay me less in that case.. 

You are clearly dealing with someone who isn't taking on board what is being said. There are two different calculations.

The calculation of the amount of UC payable uses net earnings actually received in the assessment period. UC Regs Regulation 55 applies.
The test against AET is calculated by reference to gross earnings (averaged over three months in the case of fluctuating earnings). This is set out in regulation 90 (6) referenced previously and as spelt out in the guidance referenced also.

It isn't a difficult thing to grasp.

I understand that staff will not always get things right but I get very cross when they don't take on board what is being said to them.