Inheritance theft

bobster2

ggtazzy said:

Joint accounts can be considered part of the estate in certain circumstances but the latest supreme court ruling is that because of the banks wording in the joint account application which specifies that the money will pass to the surviving account holder and the deceased person must have realised this when they signed the application it does not form part of the estate .

That was Whitlock v Moree before the Privy Council - not the Supreme Court...

https://www.hughes-paddison.co.uk/site/news/joint-bank-account-for-convenience

macman

So you've now gone from £4k cash in a very small biscuit tin, to £80k in what was presumably a much larger tin? Hmm...
If you dob them into the DWP, then you do realise that, if they decide to try and recover some of the illicit benefits received, that will include the £2k your partner has already received?
Any civil action you might take to try and unravel this is going to be extremely expensive, and, given the lack of any written evidence of these alleged cash assets, the chance of success may be minimal.  

ggtazzy

There were two tins of money which I mentioned in my second post on page 1 it has not jumped from £4,000 to £80,000.

Pennylane

You can kiss goodbye to whatever is missing.  I can tell you now from personal experience that the Police won’t be interested and will just say there is no evidence.  It seems that anybody can go in, take what they want and they will get away with it.  Sorry but it’s true.  

ggtazzy

it's funny to me when the money is inheritance it's not real it's hearsay money but as soon as you mention fraud and the DWP the money all of a sudden becomes very real.

Sea_Shell

ggtazzy said:

it's funny to me when the money is inheritance it's not real it's hearsay money but as soon as you mention fraud and the DWP the money all of a sudden becomes very real.

"So my partners father dealt in cash he had a big win on the football pools and also inherited a large amount of cash when his father died which he kept in cash in his house which the whole family knows"

The problem you have is proving the above!!     IF the DWP decided to investigate any allegations of fraud, they would no doubt have the resources to dig into his financial past and find the money trail.  

If the inheritance was also in cash and passed "under the radar" then that is likely unprovable, by you or the DWP.   However, the pools win, will have left a paper trail, as they don't pay out in cash.   It would have meant a cheque or a bank transfer.

So yes, in a way, the money is both real and not real, but it's a matter of PROVING it existed, and having the resources to get to the truth.



ETA - Do you have any idea of the £ split between the inheritance and the pools win?  Are they what make up the bulk of the £80k?

Pollycat

ggtazzy said:

it's funny to me when the money is inheritance it's not real it's hearsay money but as soon as you mention fraud and the DWP the money all of a sudden becomes very real.

What proof do you have that this £80k existed?

macman

OP, your second post merely mentions 'a large sum of money', the supposedly missing £80k only gets a mention on p4.  I queried the total value of the estate as being around £15k on p2, and you then mentioned the joint account taking it 'over £20k': at no point  did you then suggest that  it would be nearer £100k.
Assuming it was all in £50 notes or smaller, £80k would require stuffing no less than 1,600 notes into the 'large' biscuit tin. Anyone tried this at home? 
It's stretching credibility to believe that the entire family knew he was hoarding this huge amount of cash, yet did nothing to try and prevent him keeping it on the premises in such a insecure manner. Not to mention the £4k reserve tin...
Both the inheritance and the pools win would have been received as bank transfers or cheques, and so can easily be proven or disproved if the trail is ever investigated by the DWP.

Sea_Shell

macman said:

OP, your second post merely mentions 'a large sum of money', the supposedly missing £80k only gets a mention on p4.  I queried the total value of the estate as being around £15k on p2, and you then mentioned the joint account taking it 'over £20k': at no point  did you then suggest that  it would be nearer £100k.
Assuming it was all in £50 notes or smaller, £80k would require stuffing no less than 1,600 notes into the 'large' biscuit tin. Anyone tried this at home? 
It's stretching credibility to believe that the entire family knew he was hoarding this huge amount of cash, yet did nothing to try and prevent him keeping it on the premises in such a insecure manner. Not to mention the £4k reserve tin...
Both the inheritance and the pools win would have been received as bank transfers or cheques, and so can easily be proven or disproved if the trail is ever investigated by the DWP.

Well, not unless he inherited it as a "tin" full of cash!!   Or maybe it was more of a suitcase 

Maybe that's the way the family have always handled such matters.    Off the books and under the radar, as it were.

Skiddaw1

Sea_Shell said:

macman said:

OP, your second post merely mentions 'a large sum of money', the supposedly missing £80k only gets a mention on p4.  I queried the total value of the estate as being around £15k on p2, and you then mentioned the joint account taking it 'over £20k': at no point  did you then suggest that  it would be nearer £100k.
Assuming it was all in £50 notes or smaller, £80k would require stuffing no less than 1,600 notes into the 'large' biscuit tin. Anyone tried this at home? 
It's stretching credibility to believe that the entire family knew he was hoarding this huge amount of cash, yet did nothing to try and prevent him keeping it on the premises in such a insecure manner. Not to mention the £4k reserve tin...
Both the inheritance and the pools win would have been received as bank transfers or cheques, and so can easily be proven or disproved if the trail is ever investigated by the DWP.

Well, not unless he inherited it as a "tin" full of cash!!   Or maybe it was more of a suitcase 

Maybe that's the way the family have always handled such matters.    Off the books and under the radar, as it were.

I knew a family such as that. It's not uncommon.

OP, it's a potential serious can of worms in view of the benefit issue. To be honest, I think your partner would be best cashing the cheque and letting sleeping dogs lie. No point in fighting a war you can't win.