Are EV cars worth it?

Jenni_D

And if you compare it with an ID3 then spec-for-spec you're saving £10k or so  

Bigwheels1111

If the Mg5 looked like the Mg4 I would be knocking on the dealer door.
One thing that does not help is the nearest dealer to me has just shut down.
Now is a 50 mile round trip to the dealer.
I would still get one though.

Flight3287462

Skoda Enyaq 82KW, usable 80KW range about 240 miles.  So 80KWh to travel 240 miles

Electricity from October 52p/KWh

To travel 240 miles:- 80 * 0.52 = £41.60 

Petrol Kodiak = £51
Diesel Kodiak = £46  

With no government interference and assuming 60p/KWh the journey will cost £48.

All very well saying you can do this and that by switching to Octopus but not really an option at the moment for most people.

Factor in the price difference in the ICE and the EV and it is even less compelling at the moment.

 

Indout96

Jenni_D said:

And if you compare it with an ID3 then spec-for-spec you're saving £10k or so  

And it looks better, will need to see one in "real life" but that looks really good, hopefully in a few years we will get them on the 2nd hand market at realistic prices. I changed car last year and budget was £16k max cash (I don't do credit) 
It always amazes me that the business user has been subsidised so highly in order to get 2nd hand EVs into the market in a few years but going on where I work they have - Audi RS E-tron GT (£110k +) Jag E-pace400 (£67k +) BMW I4 (£52k +) when these come on the market in 2/3 years time they will still be nowhere near "normal" price - Autotrader has the average 2nd hand price now at £17,400 up 32.2% from 2021 due to the lack of cars on the market.
What we need is small / medium family EVs coming on stream, things like a C1 / Yaris / Focus that will be in the "normal" price range in 3 years.

Herzlos

Flight3287462 said:

Skoda Enyaq 82KW, usable 80KW range about 240 miles.  So 80KWh to travel 240 miles

Electricity from October 52p/KWh

To travel 240 miles:- 80 * 0.52 = £41.60 

Petrol Kodiak = £51
Diesel Kodiak = £46  

With no government interference and assuming 60p/KWh the journey will cost £48.

All very well saying you can do this and that by switching to Octopus but not really an option at the moment for most people.

Factor in the price difference in the ICE and the EV and it is even less compelling at the moment.

 

Of course you're assuming that petrol or diesel prices won't go up with the energy prices. Most people can still get access to cheaper EV charging tariffs but maybe nothing as good as 7.5p/kwh.

But yeah, if electricity prices go up faster than liquid fuel then EV's won't be as appealing on a per mile basis. They'll still have the advantage in performance, maintenance and stuff like congestion charging and LEZ's.

Jenni_D

The MG4 is Astra/Focus size as far as I know.  

Flight3287462

Herzlos said:

Flight3287462 said:

Skoda Enyaq 82KW, usable 80KW range about 240 miles.  So 80KWh to travel 240 miles

Electricity from October 52p/KWh

To travel 240 miles:- 80 * 0.52 = £41.60 

Petrol Kodiak = £51
Diesel Kodiak = £46  

With no government interference and assuming 60p/KWh the journey will cost £48.

All very well saying you can do this and that by switching to Octopus but not really an option at the moment for most people.

Factor in the price difference in the ICE and the EV and it is even less compelling at the moment.

 

Of course you're assuming that petrol or diesel prices won't go up with the energy prices. Most people can still get access to cheaper EV charging tariffs but maybe nothing as good as 7.5p/kwh.

But yeah, if electricity prices go up faster than liquid fuel then EV's won't be as appealing on a per mile basis. They'll still have the advantage in performance, maintenance and stuff like congestion charging and LEZ's.

Aye but remember at some point they will pay VED and/or some form of replacement "Fuel Duty"..  Granted, we probably won't get hit with that until 2030 and beyond.

My overall point being, you do really have to think twice before buying one (do all the sums very carefully), as a company car purchase EV will probably still save you money personally.

Petriix

Flight3287462 said:

Herzlos said:

Flight3287462 said:

Skoda Enyaq 82KW, usable 80KW range about 240 miles.  So 80KWh to travel 240 miles

Electricity from October 52p/KWh

To travel 240 miles:- 80 * 0.52 = £41.60 

Petrol Kodiak = £51
Diesel Kodiak = £46  

With no government interference and assuming 60p/KWh the journey will cost £48.

All very well saying you can do this and that by switching to Octopus but not really an option at the moment for most people.

Factor in the price difference in the ICE and the EV and it is even less compelling at the moment.

 

Of course you're assuming that petrol or diesel prices won't go up with the energy prices. Most people can still get access to cheaper EV charging tariffs but maybe nothing as good as 7.5p/kwh.

But yeah, if electricity prices go up faster than liquid fuel then EV's won't be as appealing on a per mile basis. They'll still have the advantage in performance, maintenance and stuff like congestion charging and LEZ's.

Aye but remember at some point they will pay VED and/or some form of replacement "Fuel Duty"..  Granted, we probably won't get hit with that until 2030 and beyond.

My overall point being, you do really have to think twice before buying one (do all the sums very carefully), as a company car purchase EV will probably still save you money personally.

Surely you should always carefully calculate the overall cost before making any big purchase?
Or do people just go out and spend £40k on a car without thinking about the total cost of ownership?

Herzlos

Flight3287462 said:

Herzlos said:

Flight3287462 said:

Skoda Enyaq 82KW, usable 80KW range about 240 miles.  So 80KWh to travel 240 miles

Electricity from October 52p/KWh

To travel 240 miles:- 80 * 0.52 = £41.60 

Petrol Kodiak = £51
Diesel Kodiak = £46  

With no government interference and assuming 60p/KWh the journey will cost £48.

All very well saying you can do this and that by switching to Octopus but not really an option at the moment for most people.

Factor in the price difference in the ICE and the EV and it is even less compelling at the moment.

 

Of course you're assuming that petrol or diesel prices won't go up with the energy prices. Most people can still get access to cheaper EV charging tariffs but maybe nothing as good as 7.5p/kwh.

But yeah, if electricity prices go up faster than liquid fuel then EV's won't be as appealing on a per mile basis. They'll still have the advantage in performance, maintenance and stuff like congestion charging and LEZ's.

Aye but remember at some point they will pay VED and/or some form of replacement "Fuel Duty"..  Granted, we probably won't get hit with that until 2030 and beyond.

My overall point being, you do really have to think twice before buying one (do all the sums very carefully), as a company car purchase EV will probably still save you money personally.

I can't see there being a point where an  EV will pay as much or more VED than an ICE car, though.

Flight3287462

Herzlos said:

I can't see there being a point where an  EV will pay as much or more VED than an ICE car, though.

They will need to collect the equivalent money from somewhere and the motorist is an easy target, how they do that in practice will be interesting.