Problem with DIY light fitting

DanDare999

grumbler said:

DanDare999 said:

grumbler said:

DanDare999 said:

TuppenceWorth said:

Thanks everyone.

Yes, three wires from the wall (with white sleeves). 
All I did was replace like for like. I didnt make any wiring changes.

Consensus is clear that I need a professional and will arrange for this.
Thanks again.

You need to sort the connections out.

I don't understand what you mean and I think neither does the OP.

In short, if three lamps are controlled by one switch, I'd expect

• one set of three cores for the last one, two sets for other two lamps, two sets for the switch

OR

• one + two + three + one

If it's really only one set for each lamp then it's either a junction box somewhere (hopefully accessible) or four(!!) sets  in the switch backbox.

In the latter case either the junction box or the switch are the most likely suspects.

Then you're not in a position to give advice and the OP should ignore you. 

No, it's you who is in a position to give a more clear advice than "to sort the connections out".

What "connections" and sorted by whom?

The errors have already been pointed out. 

chris_n

DanDare999 said:

grumbler said:

DanDare999 said:

grumbler said:

DanDare999 said:

TuppenceWorth said:

Thanks everyone.

Yes, three wires from the wall (with white sleeves). 
All I did was replace like for like. I didnt make any wiring changes.

Consensus is clear that I need a professional and will arrange for this.
Thanks again.

You need to sort the connections out.

I don't understand what you mean and I think neither does the OP.

In short, if three lamps are controlled by one switch, I'd expect

• one set of three cores for the last one, two sets for other two lamps, two sets for the switch

OR

• one + two + three + one

If it's really only one set for each lamp then it's either a junction box somewhere (hopefully accessible) or four(!!) sets  in the switch backbox.

In the latter case either the junction box or the switch are the most likely suspects.

Then you're not in a position to give advice and the OP should ignore you. 

No, it's you who is in a position to give a more clear advice than "to sort the connections out".

What "connections" and sorted by whom?

The errors have already been pointed out. 

The badly made earth and live connections, either of which would have failed an apprentice electricians trade test (first year) when I was a lad ;-) 

Bendy_House

TuppenceWorth said:

Apart from the somewhat dodge strands - which others have commented on - the actual wires would appear to be going to the correct terminals - in that fitting at least.

So, could you confirm whether the other two fittings are the same?

You say it works ok if ALL THREE have these Energizer halogen lamps in them? All three light up to FULL brightness? And it doesn't matter if you remove any ONE of them - the other two will remain lit, and fully bright? (Careful - they'll be well-hot.)

Do you still have the old light fittings? If so, any chance of a pic?

grumbler

chris_n said:

DanDare999 said:

grumbler said:

DanDare999 said:

grumbler said:

DanDare999 said:

TuppenceWorth said:

Thanks everyone.

Yes, three wires from the wall (with white sleeves). 
All I did was replace like for like. I didnt make any wiring changes.

Consensus is clear that I need a professional and will arrange for this.
Thanks again.

You need to sort the connections out.

I don't understand what you mean and I think neither does the OP.

In short, if three lamps are controlled by one switch, I'd expect

• one set of three cores for the last one, two sets for other two lamps, two sets for the switch

OR

• one + two + three + one

If it's really only one set for each lamp then it's either a junction box somewhere (hopefully accessible) or four(!!) sets  in the switch backbox.

In the latter case either the junction box or the switch are the most likely suspects.

Then you're not in a position to give advice and the OP should ignore you. 

No, it's you who is in a position to give a more clear advice than "to sort the connections out".

What "connections" and sorted by whom?

The errors have already been pointed out. 

The badly made earth and live connections, either of which would have failed an apprentice electricians trade test (first year) when I was a lad ;-) 

Neither can explain the symptoms described by the OP

chris_n

grumbler said:

chris_n said:

DanDare999 said:

grumbler said:

DanDare999 said:

grumbler said:

DanDare999 said:

TuppenceWorth said:

Thanks everyone.

Yes, three wires from the wall (with white sleeves). 
All I did was replace like for like. I didnt make any wiring changes.

Consensus is clear that I need a professional and will arrange for this.
Thanks again.

You need to sort the connections out.

I don't understand what you mean and I think neither does the OP.

In short, if three lamps are controlled by one switch, I'd expect

• one set of three cores for the last one, two sets for other two lamps, two sets for the switch

OR

• one + two + three + one

If it's really only one set for each lamp then it's either a junction box somewhere (hopefully accessible) or four(!!) sets  in the switch backbox.

In the latter case either the junction box or the switch are the most likely suspects.

Then you're not in a position to give advice and the OP should ignore you. 

No, it's you who is in a position to give a more clear advice than "to sort the connections out".

What "connections" and sorted by whom?

The errors have already been pointed out. 

The badly made earth and live connections, either of which would have failed an apprentice electricians trade test (first year) when I was a lad ;-) 

Neither can explain the symptoms described by the OP

I didn't say they would, I said that is the reason the authorities don't like DIY electrics. As Bendy says it would be interesting to see the original fittings too.

grumbler

chris_n said:

grumbler said:

chris_n said:

DanDare999 said:

grumbler said:

DanDare999 said:

grumbler said:

DanDare999 said:

TuppenceWorth said:

Thanks everyone.

Yes, three wires from the wall (with white sleeves). 
All I did was replace like for like. I didnt make any wiring changes.

Consensus is clear that I need a professional and will arrange for this.
Thanks again.

You need to sort the connections out.

I don't understand what you mean and I think neither does the OP.

In short, if three lamps are controlled by one switch, I'd expect

• one set of three cores for the last one, two sets for other two lamps, two sets for the switch

OR

• one + two + three + one

If it's really only one set for each lamp then it's either a junction box somewhere (hopefully accessible) or four(!!) sets  in the switch backbox.

In the latter case either the junction box or the switch are the most likely suspects.

Then you're not in a position to give advice and the OP should ignore you. 

No, it's you who is in a position to give a more clear advice than "to sort the connections out".

What "connections" and sorted by whom?

The errors have already been pointed out. 

The badly made earth and live connections, either of which would have failed an apprentice electricians trade test (first year) when I was a lad ;-) 

Neither can explain the symptoms described by the OP

I didn't say they would

Yes, but you quoted DD999 who did (implicitly) 

TuppenceWorth

Dan Dare. 
Thanks for the input. I am thick skinned enough to accept my workmanship was shoddy (I am not  tradesman). At least I have learned to be careful with loose strands and earthing.

Bendy House.
With four energisers it lights up bright. No difference if it is 3, 2 or 1. Basically no problems with the four lights as long as at least one is halogen.

All lights are wired as per the image.
Unfortunately I don't have the spec of the original lights. They were basic brass fitting with one bulb in each. I can't even remember what bulbs were used. I think they were halogen as I decided to replace all at the time for economy reasons. That is when I noticed the problem. Taken me 18 months to try and tackle it..

It is a recent (15 year old) mill conversion so It shouldn't have dodgy DIY wiring (at least not before my meddling) .

Bendy_House

TuppenceWorth said:

Bendy House.
With four energisers it lights up bright. No difference if it is 3, 2 or 1. Basically no problems with the four lights as long as at least one is halogen.
All lights are wired as per the image.

Well, that's completely blown all my theories out t'water! :-)

I'm stumped, TW.

I can only surmise you have faulty LED lamps - that's the only plausible explanation I can come up with.