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Commercial Energy - what next for businesses, large and small?

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  • Sea_Shell
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    daveyjp said:
    Just read of a music venue £10k to £144000 a year

    I wonder if that's just a "renewal quote" or is that the best deal they can get after shopping around?
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  • MWT
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    Sea_Shell said:

    If it was as "easy" to cover as just 2p per pie, why go to the media about it?   

    It's probably significantly more than that, at a guess.
    Not suggesting these are not going to be major cost increases and that they will obviously cause price rises at the consumer end of things, but news channels thrive on disaster and panic, so do not underestimate their interest in glossing over the details and just using the big numbers that do not necessarily tell the whole story...

  • Sea_Shell
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    MWT said:
    Sea_Shell said:

    If it was as "easy" to cover as just 2p per pie, why go to the media about it?   

    It's probably significantly more than that, at a guess.
    Not suggesting these are not going to be major cost increases and that they will obviously cause price rises at the consumer end of things, but news channels thrive on disaster and panic, so do not underestimate their interest in glossing over the details and just using the big numbers that do not necessarily tell the whole story...


    That's sort of why I was hoping we'd also get some "real" experiences posted here.  To counteract the MSM fodder, as it were.

    The "truth" is probably somewhere in between 😉
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  • annabanana82
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    I feel sorry for local businesses, we've had some expansion in our local area recently and the cafe lasted only a year and the mini supermarket due to open has just been scrapped. 

    The cafe is looking for new tenants, rent is just shy of £3k a month, business rates £10k per year, before utilities, staff and products I can't imagine there is much appetite for starting a new business or expanding when  consumers are expecting to cut their cloth.

    We've already lost one local pub, a nearby butchers is closing as there energy bill has increased from £7k pa to £22k. 

    I don't know what the answer is, similar to the covid support the government can't help everyone 
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  • Sea_Shell
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    What about large data hubs?    The "stuff" behind the internet, running it all.

    Assume we have those somewhere in the uk?

    If personal gaming PCs take oodles of kwh, what eye watering amounts must big data server hubs use?

    I wouldn't like to have their bills.     Who pays for (runs) the fabric of  "the Internet"?    Is it part of our broadband bill?

    Do they rely on grid power (at commercial rates) or do they run off-line, self producing  (diesel generators etc)
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  • QrizB
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    Sea_Shell said:
    What about large data hubs?    The "stuff" behind the internet, running it all.
    If personal gaming PCs take oodles of kwh, what eye watering amounts must big data server hubs use?
    Data centres run from the grid and use megawatts.
    I wouldn't like to have their bills.     Who pays for (runs) the fabric of  "the Internet"?    Is it part of our broadband bill?
    Facebook pay for Facebook's servers, Twitter pay for Twitter's, MSE pay for MSE's. If you had one, you'd pay for yours.
    And yes, the backbone (the boring bits that just keep everything else connected together) are a small element of your telecoms bills.
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  • Sea_Shell
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    QrizB said:
    Sea_Shell said:
    What about large data hubs?    The "stuff" behind the internet, running it all.
    If personal gaming PCs take oodles of kwh, what eye watering amounts must big data server hubs use?
    Data centres run from the grid and use megawatts.
    I wouldn't like to have their bills.     Who pays for (runs) the fabric of  "the Internet"?    Is it part of our broadband bill?
    Facebook pay for Facebook's servers, Twitter pay for Twitter's, MSE pay for MSE's. If you had one, you'd pay for yours.
    And yes, the backbone (the boring bits that just keep everything else connected together) are a small element of your telecoms bills.

    Thanks.

    Lets hope they've negotiated a long term "cheap" deal then, that doesn't run out anytime soon. 

    Wouldn't be good if the cost of the Internet quadruples 😉
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