Keep warm in the winter by wearing five or six layers of clothes indoors

Woolsery

DRP said:

Sorry , I don’t see the connection 👍🏽

There may be none. What I notice is the way statisticians  come up with interpretations which fit narratives appropriate to institutions they're connected with. The days when we might see a genuine TV debate between those with differing views are long gone.

Silvertabby

As a child of the 1950s, I was brought up in a house that only had one coal fire (when it was lit) for heating and (very limited) hot water.  We had ice on the insides of the bedroom windows, and dad would have to de-frost the outside loo before we could use it.

Yes, we survived - but I wouldn't wish that standard of living on anyone now.

Alanp

When I was a child we used to gather round a 50 watt light bulb in winter 
if it was really cold, dad would switch it on…..

sevenhills

Alanp said:

When I was a child we used to gather round a 50 watt light bulb in winter 
if it was really cold, dad would switch it on…..

The only vulnerable people to this cold weather are the elderly.

DRP

sevenhills said:

Alanp said:

When I was a child we used to gather round a 50 watt light bulb in winter 
if it was really cold, dad would switch it on…..

The only vulnerable people to this cold weather are the 

Elderly are not the only vulnerable group, but certainly the largest. 

DRP

Woolsery said:

DRP said:

Sorry , I don’t see the connection 👍🏽

There may be none. What I notice is the way statisticians  come up with interpretations which fit narratives appropriate to institutions they're connected with. The days when we might see a genuine TV debate between those with differing views are long gone.

If you’ve got a different expert view, a different analysis, or different data, then write up your hypothesis, become an expert. 

The data is very clear on covid19, vaccines, and emerging data on nhs ‘collapse’ seems pretty robust too. I think I know what you’re getting at re: birth rates, but this isn’t really the place for that discussion.

ComicGeek

sevenhills said:

Alanp said:

When I was a child we used to gather round a 50 watt light bulb in winter 
if it was really cold, dad would switch it on…..

The only vulnerable people to this cold weather are the elderly.

Absolutely rubbish - my wife is only 40 but has long term health issues and chronic pain, and being too cold makes her physically ill. If the air temp is too low in the house then even wearing thermals and having thick duvets and blankets isn't enough for some. 

There's a big difference between suffering and being slightly uncomfortable, but that might only be a small change on the thermostat for some people.

Woolsery

DRP said:

Woolsery said:

DRP said:

Sorry , I don’t see the connection 👍🏽

There may be none. What I notice is the way statisticians  come up with interpretations which fit narratives appropriate to institutions they're connected with. The days when we might see a genuine TV debate between those with differing views are long gone.

If you’ve got a different expert view, a different analysis, or different data, then write up your hypothesis, become an expert. 

The data is very clear on covid19, vaccines, and emerging data on nhs ‘collapse’ seems pretty robust too. I think I know what you’re getting at re: birth rates, but this isn’t really the place for that discussion.

The collapse is well documented, experienced first hand and I'm sure it is part of the problem. Some data isn't collected, or isn't easily available and stringency or methodology may not be consistent across countries either. Although I support certain hypotheses and agree more closely with what other statisticians have said, I'd like to think I'm open to sound reasoning and debate, hence what I said in my last comment. It's something never seen in these days of 30 second sound bites and eight minute 'discussions.'

Woolsery

Silvertabby said:

As a child of the 1950s, I was brought up in a house that only had one coal fire (when it was lit) for heating and (very limited) hot water.  We had ice on the insides of the bedroom windows, and dad would have to de-frost the outside loo before we could use it.

Yes, we survived - but I wouldn't wish that standard of living on anyone now.

It is one thing to be brought up within that environment, and quite different to be thrust into it without the skills for easier adaptation and the wherewithal to prepare.

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True, but as with so much now, you're thrown in the deep end and you learn to adapt surprisingly, quickly - covid taught all of us that.