ES Parking Enforcement Spinningfields, PCN for stopping

Coupon-mad

There is no such thing. Write it from scratch as they don't like templates.

Trainerman

Once more, how can a supposedly professional company write phrases such as "you was ". This is really pathetic

NorthWestITConsultant

Trainerman said:

Once more, how can a supposedly professional company write phrases such as "you was ". This is really pathetic

They are cowboys afterall

NorthWestITConsultant

Coupon-mad said:

Just appeal to the farce of the kangaroo court IAS based on no consideration period to read the signs and leave.  Quote the IPC Code on consideration periods.

The PPC might just give up.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/private-parking-code-of-practice/private-parking-code-of-practice

2.9 consideration period

time allowed for a driver to read and understand the terms and conditions applying on controlled land, identify and access appropriate space in which to park their vehicle, ending when the vehicle is parked, or departs

Is this the one I should use in the appeal? If so they will probably come back and say the sign said no stopping. I know it won't hold up in court but just want to give them as little as possible to work with.

Coupon-mad

No.  Not even valid yet!

That's not what I said to quote.

NorthWestITConsultant

Coupon-mad said:

No.  Not even valid yet!

That's not what I said to quote.

5.1 Consideration period

The parking operator must allow a consideration period of appropriate duration, subject to the requirements set out at Annex B, taking the following factors into account:

a) the time required for a driver to identify and access a parking bay appropriate to their needs;

1. For example, a driver seeking a Blue Badge parking bay or a parent and child parking bay, waiting for another vehicle to vacate a bay, returning to the vehicle to check the VRM, queuing at a payment machine, etc.

b)the time required for a driver to identify and read signs that display the parking terms and conditions, or the consequences of choosing to park where public parking is not invited;

c) the time required for a driver to identify and comply with requirements for payment;

2. This is particularly important for controlled land where the requirement is to pay and display a permit using on-site machinery, make an exact payment in cash using specific coins, or pay-by-phone or online through a process that could take several minutes.

d) the time required for a driver to leave the controlled land if they decide not to accept the terms and conditions;

e) the impact of the layout of the controlled land on 5.1a) to 5.1d);

f) the impact of the number of vehicles accessing the car park on 5.1a) to 5.1d); and

g) the impact of the volume of traffic within the controlled land on 5.1a) to 5.1d).

3. The consideration period ends at the point where there is evidence that the driver has, by parking, accepted the terms, conditions and restrictions applying (whether or not they have chosen to read them) which may be evidenced by the driver parking the vehicle and leaving the premises, paying the applicable parking tariff, or turning off the ignition of the vehicle and remaining stationary for more than 5 minutes.

Coupon-mad

No. You keep looking at the incoming (temporarily stalled) new legislation and statutory Code from the Government, which is not what I said and isn't valid for over a year (not coming in till 2024).

I said:

"Quote the IPC Code on consideration periods."

NorthWestITConsultant

Coupon-mad said:

No. You keep looking at the incoming (temporarily stalled) new legislation and statutory Code from the Government, which is not what I said and isn't valid for over a year (not coming in till 2024).

I said:

"Quote the IPC Code on consideration periods."

Cool thanks, I believe I've found it:

https://www.theias.org/uploads/BA5eFbbFFs8RF4brD_A90gl_0DVkomxYTxNRf16RK-U/Code of Practice V7 November 2019-V1-V2.pdf

13 Consideration and Grace Periods on Private Land

13.1 Motorists must be allowed a sufficient Consideration Period so they may make an informed decision as to whether or not to enter or remain on the Private Land. If a Motorist chooses to reject the opportunity by entering or remaining on the Private Land without reading terms and conditions, they may be deemed to have accepted them immediately. 


Should be sufficient to appeal on those grounds I assume?

1505grandad

Actually there is a version 8 CoP dated 1.7.21:-

https://theipc.info/brandings/2/resources/documents/Code_of_Practice_v8.pdf

NorthWestITConsultant

1505grandad said:

Actually there is a version 8 CoP dated 1.7.21:-

https://theipc.info/brandings/2/resources/documents/Code_of_Practice_v8.pdf

Thanks, have submitted the "Appeal". Let's wait to see what happens next. Provided I win this, look forward to helping others fight these cowboys.