if russia turns off

northernstar007

what will happen if russia turns the gas supply off 100% to europe in the winter
ok the uk should be ok as we get it mostly from norway

mumf

The price will increase even more as the Russian customers enter the remaining supply market.

Mstty

Prices will rocket, there will need to be planned blackouts or usage restrictions for energy across Europe maybe not the UK.

TimSynths

It is certainly a worrying thought and could happen. I'm taking steps to insulate my home so I can use less or none at all if it comes down to it.
My neighbour is taking out his (mostly unused) gas fire and putting a wood burner in, was originally a coal fire but central heating fitted back in the 60's.
Besides that its prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

[Deleted User]

Norway has said that it is likely to restrict electricity exports to the UK in the coming months. If we don’t get electricity, then we need more gas to generate electricity.  My guess is that there will be periods when gas demand exceeds supply.

Mstty

[Deleted User] said:

Norway has said that it is likely to restrict electricity exports to the UK in the coming months. If we don’t get electricity, then we need more gas to generate electricity.  My guess is that there will be periods when gas demand exceeds supply.

This is why the government should not go too far on subsidising energy costs so that we all reduce demand by 20% at least.

macman

Norway may well choose to send more gas to the EU, it would depend on the duration of the current contracts.
We are not 'OK', because we have less gas storage capacity than anywhere else in Europe. Countries like Poland saw this coming and ramped up their storage, and are now trying to fill it. We have done precisely nothing.
Let's hope it's a mild winter. If not, there will be phased cut-offs to industry (3 day weeks, probably) to leave adequate domestic supply.

Xbigman

macman said:

Norway may well choose to send more gas to the EU, it would depend on the duration of the current contracts.
We are not 'OK', because we have less gas storage capacity than anywhere else in Europe. Countries like Poland saw this coming and ramped up their storage, and are now trying to fill it. We have done precisely nothing.
Let's hope it's a mild winter. If not, there will be phased cut-offs to industry (3 day weeks, probably) to leave adequate domestic supply.

We didn't do nothing. We built 3 massive LNG terminals and built interconnectors for gas and electric all over the place so that we wouldn't need a lot of storage. Unfortunately when there is a world shortage everyone, including Poland, is stuffed. 

Everyone should realised that the situation could be much worse. Its only the Covid lockdowns in China suppressing Chinese demand that has left us with the gas we do have. 

Roll on next year.


Darren

mark_cycling00

The UK has        9 Twh gas storage (100% full)
Germany has 185 Twh gas storage (75% full) 

We don't have gas storage anymore. We sold our massive gas storage reservoir to Norway (Equinor ltd) who are testing hydrogen storage at it now.

George Osborne put a 80% "windfall" tax on North Sea gas exploration to drop petrol prices a few pence - very popular at the time. Most new supply got canned as it was no longer profitable. Shell are planning to re-open 2 gar fields that will add 10% but this will take a few years

macman

There are rumours that BG/Centrica could reopen the Rough field for storage, but they want a govt bung of several billion £ to make it worth their while.

TimSynths

macman said:

There are rumours that BG/Centrica could reopen the Rough field for storage, but they want a govt bung of several billion £ to make it worth their while.

I think BG have added it to my bill!