Neighbours guttering

charleneann09

Eldi_Dos said:

OP, if it is bothering you and you would like it removed get onto selling agents and express your wishes to them. They will pass on your concerns to owners, who might resolve quite quickly if a sale is involved.

Oo I didn't know they would do that. I highly doubt the house will sell anytime soon there is massive hole in the wall behind the extension they have just built!

Bendy_House

You haven't even BOUGHT it yet?!
Ach, well...

charleneann09

Bendy_House said:

You haven't even BOUGHT it yet?!
Ach, well...

No I own my house the house next door with the pipe is for sale. Someone told me to contact the ea as I don't know who the owner is

Section62

Bendy_House said:

Section62 said:

Bendy_House said:

It still leaves what is surely a very obvious route down that sloping roof, just beyond that parapet, and into their own gawdamned gutter.

But there is no straightforward way to clip/support a pipe which is running down a sloping roof, meaning the pipe is free to move around or get knocked out of position. Good practice is to make sure plastic waste/drain pipe is correctly supported and restrained.

The easiest option is to clip it to the wall, even though the pipe run is longer.

Put it another way, if you needed to run a cable out of the wall at the same position would you leave it flopping around loose down the roof, or clipped horizontally along and then vertically down the wall?

Silly me, you are quite right. The best way is to extend your condensate pipe on to your neighbour's property.

Why not, if you ask them and they say it is Ok?

Given a choice of doing a bodge or asking the neighbour "Is it Ok..." I'd go for the latter.  YMMV.

Section62

charleneann09 said:

So is condensate classed as foul water? I thought rain water and foul water can't be mixed and can result in a fine? Had to get a washing machine plumbed in and was told they can't be mixed. Don't want to pay a fine for something I haven't even done

It depends on the drainage system you have.  Unless your street has separate foul and surface water sewers, there's every chance that gutter either goes to a soakaway or is connected to the foul sewer.

Condensate water isn't the nicest of stuff, but the sewerage undertaker and local health department would be far more worried if either waste from a toilet, or water with soaps/detergents etc, was being discharged into a surface water sewer.  It is this (and reducing foul flooding from rainwater) which is why there are restrictions on putting the wrong wastewater in the wrong pipe.

You wouldn't be fined for this as it isn't your wastewater.

Bendy_House

Section62 said:

Bendy_House said:

Section62 said:

Bendy_House said:

It still leaves what is surely a very obvious route down that sloping roof, just beyond that parapet, and into their own gawdamned gutter.

But there is no straightforward way to clip/support a pipe which is running down a sloping roof, meaning the pipe is free to move around or get knocked out of position. Good practice is to make sure plastic waste/drain pipe is correctly supported and restrained.

The easiest option is to clip it to the wall, even though the pipe run is longer.

Put it another way, if you needed to run a cable out of the wall at the same position would you leave it flopping around loose down the roof, or clipped horizontally along and then vertically down the wall?

Silly me, you are quite right. The best way is to extend your condensate pipe on to your neighbour's property.

Why not, if you ask them and they say it is Ok?

Given a choice of doing a bodge or asking the neighbour "Is it Ok..." I'd go for the latter.  YMMV.

What's YMMV?

How is the perfectly valid alternative, a 'bodge'?

And, whilst the previous owner may have been 'ok' with it, it surely doesn't make it automatic that any future owner would or should be. You cannot possibly be suggesting that the new owner of a property should accept all the neighbourly arrangements and agreements of their predecessor? On that point, if the OP isn't careful, could this potentially become a permanent entitlement in time via an easement?

Ah, 'ymmv' = “your mileage may vary” It does.

Apodemus

EDIT!

Sorry!  All I said has already been covered - hadn't read through to the end!

Section62

Bendy_House said:

Section62 said:

Bendy_House said:

Why not, if you ask them and they say it is Ok?

Given a choice of doing a bodge or asking the neighbour "Is it Ok..." I'd go for the latter.  YMMV.

How is the perfectly valid alternative, a 'bodge'?

Ok, in smaller steps -

Can we agree that manufacturers recommend that uPVC waste pipe needs to be adequately supported with fixings every 'x' metres?

'x' may vary between manufacturers, pipe size and type, and orientation of the pipe.

Bendy_House said:

And, whilst the previous owner may have been 'ok' with it, it surely doesn't make it automatic that any future owner would or should be. You cannot possibly be suggesting that the new owner of a property should accept all the neighbourly arrangements and agreements of their predecessor? On that point, if the OP isn't careful, could this potentially become a permanent entitlement in time via an easement?

This is the 'meat' of the issue, not whether the design is good or bad.

Whether or not the arrangements and agreements of the predecessor should be accepted depends on the form they were in.

What you can't shouldn't do is to just assume you are in the right and remove the neighbour's stuff without at least making some basic enquiries about how it came to be there. Especially if there is a risk of causing damage to their property if it is removed.

Then you need to find out whether there are covenants etc which give neighbours rights to run services and/or drain water over or across your property.  These are relatively common.

Bendy_House

Section62 said:

Ok, in smaller steps - ooh, patronising!

Can we agree that manufacturers recommend that uPVC waste pipe needs to be adequately supported with fixings every 'x' metres? Yes, absolutely.

'x' may vary between manufacturers, pipe size and type, and orientation of the pipe. Of course. But aren't there roof tile clips that'll do the exact same job? And over a much shorter run? That fully supports the pipe over its whole run? Unlike the existing layout. And with an uncompromising 'fall', unlike the existing run which appears to be marginal at best? Won't any slight dip along its unnecessarily-extended length possibly cause issues to the flow? And we don't know yet whether the OP's downpipe gulley is made of formed concrete - like two of mine are. And my idea is the 'bodge'?

This is the 'meat' of the issue, not whether the design is good or bad. Hmm, that is a completely different, tho' equally valid, issue.

Whether or not the arrangements and agreements of the predecessor should be accepted depends on the form they were in.

What you can't shouldn't do is to just assume you are in the right and remove the neighbour's stuff without at least making some basic enquiries about how it came to be there. Especially if there is a risk of causing damage to their property if it is removed. I haven't. In fact my very first comment was "Don't do anything until you know for sure!" And then I suggested the OP check the ownership and rights regarding that alleyway. And I also warned about taking unilateral action like disconnecting the pipe. I think this has been the most reasonable I have ever been on this forum! I'm proud of my restraint :-)

Then you need to find out whether there are covenants etc which give neighbours rights to run services and/or drain water over or across your property.  These are relatively common.

One of us is in kilometres.