HELP PLEASE!! BUYING HOUSE WITH LOW (F) EPC RATING

woodpeckerx

markin said:

woodpeckerx said:

P0123 said

I am mostly concerned because the EPC certificate depicts a number of steps which will cost a lot of money.

I wouldn't be concerned at all, none of the steps are required and if you did decide to do them you may never recover the costs you put into it. If its the property you want buy it.

EPCs are worthless, not fit for purpose, a complete waste of money and hopefully will soon be scrapped, see here:-

https://propertyindustryeye.com/jacob-rees-mogg-urged-to-scrap-worthless-epc-certificates/

Only buy if you can afford the 400-700 a month to heat it in its current state, or to do the upgrades.

You can look up the usage but 18,000kwh for heat and 3,000kwh for hot water at 29p  £6,090, moving to an E7 tariff would not help much if at all without storage heaters.

What on earth are you on about, the EPC in question is 6107 kWh for heating and 1637 kWh for water heating which is 7744 kWh per year. At 29p per kWh that is £187.15 per month for heating and water. By doing the 2 listed upgrades you *might* save about £50 per month, most likely not worth the cost.

The OP was already concerned by the EPC and you tripled the values and quoted ridiculous costs, why?

[Deleted User]

Welcome to the UK. All affordable housing is crap and in need of major, expensive renovation.

You will be cold in winter and hot in summer. But this may be the best you can hope for.

Sorry.

ProDave

[Deleted User] said:

Welcome to the UK. All affordable housing is crap and in need of major, expensive renovation.

You will be cold in winter and hot in summer. But this may be the best you can hope for.

Sorry.

That is why I built my own house.  I have none of those problems.

markin

woodpeckerx said:

markin said:

woodpeckerx said:

P0123 said

I am mostly concerned because the EPC certificate depicts a number of steps which will cost a lot of money.

I wouldn't be concerned at all, none of the steps are required and if you did decide to do them you may never recover the costs you put into it. If its the property you want buy it.

EPCs are worthless, not fit for purpose, a complete waste of money and hopefully will soon be scrapped, see here:-

https://propertyindustryeye.com/jacob-rees-mogg-urged-to-scrap-worthless-epc-certificates/

Only buy if you can afford the 400-700 a month to heat it in its current state, or to do the upgrades.

You can look up the usage but 18,000kwh for heat and 3,000kwh for hot water at 29p  £6,090, moving to an E7 tariff would not help much if at all without storage heaters.

What on earth are you on about, the EPC in question is 6107 kWh for heating and 1637 kWh for water heating which is 7744 kWh per year. At 29p per kWh that is £187.15 per month for heating and water. By doing the 2 listed upgrades you *might* save about £50 per month, most likely not worth the cost.

The OP was already concerned by the EPC and you tripled the values and quoted ridiculous costs, why?

It would have to be a fully insulated ECO house to use only 6,107 kWh for heating, See my other post that shows a more realistic number of 11,400 for a small 72sqm house, And i know that the house uses more than that.

A wet electric boiler is the most expensive way to heat a house.

woodpeckerx

markin said:

woodpeckerx said:

markin said:

woodpeckerx said:

P0123 said

I am mostly concerned because the EPC certificate depicts a number of steps which will cost a lot of money.

I wouldn't be concerned at all, none of the steps are required and if you did decide to do them you may never recover the costs you put into it. If its the property you want buy it.

EPCs are worthless, not fit for purpose, a complete waste of money and hopefully will soon be scrapped, see here:-

https://propertyindustryeye.com/jacob-rees-mogg-urged-to-scrap-worthless-epc-certificates/

Only buy if you can afford the 400-700 a month to heat it in its current state, or to do the upgrades.

You can look up the usage but 18,000kwh for heat and 3,000kwh for hot water at 29p  £6,090, moving to an E7 tariff would not help much if at all without storage heaters.

What on earth are you on about, the EPC in question is 6107 kWh for heating and 1637 kWh for water heating which is 7744 kWh per year. At 29p per kWh that is £187.15 per month for heating and water. By doing the 2 listed upgrades you *might* save about £50 per month, most likely not worth the cost.

The OP was already concerned by the EPC and you tripled the values and quoted ridiculous costs, why?

It would have to be a fully insulated ECO house to use only 6,107 kWh for heating, See my other post that shows a more realistic number of 11,400 for a small 72sqm house, And i know that the house uses more than that.

A wet electric boiler is the most expensive way to heat a house.

You're just guessing based on some other random EPC you looked at, this obviously isn't a 72sqm house.

markin

woodpeckerx said:

markin said:

woodpeckerx said:

markin said:

woodpeckerx said:

P0123 said

I am mostly concerned because the EPC certificate depicts a number of steps which will cost a lot of money.

I wouldn't be concerned at all, none of the steps are required and if you did decide to do them you may never recover the costs you put into it. If its the property you want buy it.

EPCs are worthless, not fit for purpose, a complete waste of money and hopefully will soon be scrapped, see here:-

https://propertyindustryeye.com/jacob-rees-mogg-urged-to-scrap-worthless-epc-certificates/

Only buy if you can afford the 400-700 a month to heat it in its current state, or to do the upgrades.

You can look up the usage but 18,000kwh for heat and 3,000kwh for hot water at 29p  £6,090, moving to an E7 tariff would not help much if at all without storage heaters.

What on earth are you on about, the EPC in question is 6107 kWh for heating and 1637 kWh for water heating which is 7744 kWh per year. At 29p per kWh that is £187.15 per month for heating and water. By doing the 2 listed upgrades you *might* save about £50 per month, most likely not worth the cost.

The OP was already concerned by the EPC and you tripled the values and quoted ridiculous costs, why?

It would have to be a fully insulated ECO house to use only 6,107 kWh for heating, See my other post that shows a more realistic number of 11,400 for a small 72sqm house, And i know that the house uses more than that.

A wet electric boiler is the most expensive way to heat a house.

You're just guessing based on some other random EPC you looked at, this obviously isn't a 72sqm house.

The 477kwh per sqm tells you all you need to know about this houses extreme energy use. Even if it was a tiny 53sqm house it would be 12,000 to heat it.

tetrarch

EPC's are nonsense.

I bought my 1914 Detached in December 2020 with an EPC of 23 (F) and a potential to be uplifted to 70

I then ripped out all the oil central heating and, prior to having my Biomass Boiler installed, had a new EPC done in November 21.....

Score was 4 - yep, not a mistype. This was actually corrected from a 2 when the EPC guy made an error.

Whilst I know that this is crazy, what is really weird is that the uplift value was only to 45. I absolutely fail to understand how the potential score goes down - I've even ripped out floorboards and replaced with insulated screed with UFH installed (but not turned on at the time of the EPC)

To the original OP - I would echo previous posters that you look at this in the long-term but treat every single EPC recommendation as a stand-alone and run a cost/benefit payback calculation for each individually

Regards

Tet

 

[Deleted User]

I can relate to your concerns but if you are looking to do works should not be a problem and can be improved.

I missed out on a house classified as D, and offer accepted on a semi-detached classified as E.

The house is old so not surprised and will be doing up in the future,

The energy price increase does make you really think about the EPC and costs. 

[Deleted User]

ProDave said:

[Deleted User] said:

Welcome to the UK. All affordable housing is crap and in need of major, expensive renovation.

You will be cold in winter and hot in summer. But this may be the best you can hope for.

Sorry.

That is why I built my own house.  I have none of those problems.

I looked into that, but it's even more insanely unaffordable than the used wrecks with F EPC ratings.

movilogo

EPC's are nonsense.

Fully agree. However, this nonsense can have a large impact on our lives! A house can lose value or become harder to mortgage with worse EPC ratings.