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See my previous post.diystarter7 said:
Incredible.Manxman_in_exile said:
Of course there is no law saying "you can't reverse in a one-way road". The law says you can only travel in one specified direction along a one-way road, in accordance with the signage. Whether you are reversing or not is immaterial so long as you are travelling in the permitted direction.diystarter7 said:
... Btw, I'm sure there is no law saying you can't reverse in a one-way road and if there is it must be woolly.shane2k said:they at fault as you should only reverse if safe to do so but if you no dash camera then they could say you drove into them
Are you saying you can't reverse park?...diystarter7 said:
... There is a law re reversing in a one way but as I clearly stated that is woolly.Manxman_in_exile said:
Of course there is no law saying "you can't reverse in a one-way road". The law says you can only travel in one specified direction along a one-way road, in accordance with the signage. Whether you are reversing or not is immaterial so long as you are travelling in the permitted direction.diystarter7 said:
... Btw, I'm sure there is no law saying you can't reverse in a one-way road and if there is it must be woolly.shane2k said:they at fault as you should only reverse if safe to do so but if you no dash camera then they could say you drove into them
I've made my point very clear and I'll let you pick and choose bits you may want to respond to....
Can you please point me to this law about reversing in a one-way street and explain what is unclear or "woolly" about it?2 -
What law do you have in mind? The only one I'm aware of says "Vehicular traffic must proceed in the direction indicated by the arrow". Nothing woolly about that.diystarter7 said:
Incredible.Manxman_in_exile said:
Of course there is no law saying "you can't reverse in a one-way road". The law says you can only travel in one specified direction along a one-way road, in accordance with the signage. Whether you are reversing or not is immaterial so long as you are travelling in the permitted direction.diystarter7 said:
... Btw, I'm sure there is no law saying you can't reverse in a one-way road and if there is it must be woolly.shane2k said:they at fault as you should only reverse if safe to do so but if you no dash camera then they could say you drove into them
Are you saying you can't reverse park?
There is a law re reversing in a one way but as I clearly stated that is woolly.
I've made my point very clear and I'll let you pick and choose bits you may want to respond to
OP, along with my previous posts, I'm also assuming you would have sounded your horn.
Have a nice day.
[Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986, s106]1 -
Thanks for your follow up question. It's not just you, people I know are confused about one way dtreets and reversing as they do not read the Highway Code.Manxman_in_exile said:
See my previous post.diystarter7 said:
Incredible.Manxman_in_exile said:
Of course there is no law saying "you can't reverse in a one-way road". The law says you can only travel in one specified direction along a one-way road, in accordance with the signage. Whether you are reversing or not is immaterial so long as you are travelling in the permitted direction.diystarter7 said:
... Btw, I'm sure there is no law saying you can't reverse in a one-way road and if there is it must be woolly.shane2k said:they at fault as you should only reverse if safe to do so but if you no dash camera then they could say you drove into them
Are you saying you can't reverse park?...diystarter7 said:
... There is a law re reversing in a one way but as I clearly stated that is woolly.Manxman_in_exile said:
Of course there is no law saying "you can't reverse in a one-way road". The law says you can only travel in one specified direction along a one-way road, in accordance with the signage. Whether you are reversing or not is immaterial so long as you are travelling in the permitted direction.diystarter7 said:
... Btw, I'm sure there is no law saying you can't reverse in a one-way road and if there is it must be woolly.shane2k said:they at fault as you should only reverse if safe to do so but if you no dash camera then they could say you drove into them
I've made my point very clear and I'll let you pick and choose bits you may want to respond to....
Can you please point me to this law about reversing in a one-way street and explain what is unclear or "woolly" about it?
The highway code is PART of the law and that is a fact, EG, officer catches you doing 32mph in a 30mph road they could pull you over and even charge you, ok!
Now about reversing, the above applies - someone reversing other than parallel parking and an officer of the law see them, they could pull them over and even charge them for driving without due care and attention
The highway code
The Highway Code states that "you must not reverse your vehicle further than necessary", which is also backed up in the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986.
I hope it is now very clear about what I was IE The law is 'woolly' as the above is open to interpretation by the said officer.
If you still think I'm wrong, try it when an officer is around as see if they pull you up - personally, I would not as it's breaking the law other than what I've stated here.
If you are still disagreeing, I apologise but there is nothing more to add. other than if i was reversing up a one way street other than as mentioned above and I got pulled over, IMO I'd deserve a ticket/fine. What is the point of having a one-way street when Joe is allowed to reverse 4 car back and or back on to the main road if they noted their error aka driving without 'due care and attention.'
Have a nice day.0 -
we used to see similar actions when we lived on a narrow one way street.
someone would be trying to park in a too small space and taking up the lane while doing so. Another car coming along has an impatient driver and rather than wait for the person to park they would reverse down the street to turn off on a side street.
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How can that be a fact when it's not even true?diystarter7 said:
Thanks for your follow up question. It's not just you, people I know are confused about one way dtreets and reversing as they do not read the Highway Code.Manxman_in_exile said:
See my previous post.diystarter7 said:
Incredible.Manxman_in_exile said:
Of course there is no law saying "you can't reverse in a one-way road". The law says you can only travel in one specified direction along a one-way road, in accordance with the signage. Whether you are reversing or not is immaterial so long as you are travelling in the permitted direction.diystarter7 said:
... Btw, I'm sure there is no law saying you can't reverse in a one-way road and if there is it must be woolly.shane2k said:they at fault as you should only reverse if safe to do so but if you no dash camera then they could say you drove into them
Are you saying you can't reverse park?...diystarter7 said:
... There is a law re reversing in a one way but as I clearly stated that is woolly.Manxman_in_exile said:
Of course there is no law saying "you can't reverse in a one-way road". The law says you can only travel in one specified direction along a one-way road, in accordance with the signage. Whether you are reversing or not is immaterial so long as you are travelling in the permitted direction.diystarter7 said:
... Btw, I'm sure there is no law saying you can't reverse in a one-way road and if there is it must be woolly.shane2k said:they at fault as you should only reverse if safe to do so but if you no dash camera then they could say you drove into them
I've made my point very clear and I'll let you pick and choose bits you may want to respond to....
Can you please point me to this law about reversing in a one-way street and explain what is unclear or "woolly" about it?
The highway code is PART of the law and that is a fact, EG, officer catches you doing 32mph in a 30mph road they could pull you over and even charge you, ok!
Now about reversing, the above applies - someone reversing other than parallel parking and an officer of the law see them, they could pull them over and even charge them for driving without due care and attention
The highway code
The Highway Code states that "you must not reverse your vehicle further than necessary", which is also backed up in the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986.
I hope it is now very clear about what I was IE The law is 'woolly' as the above is open to interpretation by the said officer.
If you still think I'm wrong, try it when an officer is around as see if they pull you up - personally, I would not as it's breaking the law other than what I've stated here.
If you are still disagreeing, I apologise but there is nothing more to add. other than if i was reversing up a one way street other than as mentioned above and I got pulled over, IMO I'd deserve a ticket/fine. What is the point of having a one-way street when Joe is allowed to reverse 4 car back and or back on to the main road if they noted their error aka driving without 'due care and attention.'
Have a nice day.2 -
No, it isn't. It is authorised by law, and may be taken into account in any legal action, but it is not in itself law. Those parts which are supported by specific laws are clearly marked "MUST" and are cross-referenced to the specific legislation.diystarter7 said:
The highway code is PART of the law and that is a fact, EG, officer catches you doing 32mph in a 30mph road they could pull you over and even charge you, ok!Manxman_in_exile said:
See my previous post.diystarter7 said:
Incredible.Manxman_in_exile said:
Of course there is no law saying "you can't reverse in a one-way road". The law says you can only travel in one specified direction along a one-way road, in accordance with the signage. Whether you are reversing or not is immaterial so long as you are travelling in the permitted direction.diystarter7 said:
... Btw, I'm sure there is no law saying you can't reverse in a one-way road and if there is it must be woolly.shane2k said:they at fault as you should only reverse if safe to do so but if you no dash camera then they could say you drove into them
Are you saying you can't reverse park?...diystarter7 said:
... There is a law re reversing in a one way but as I clearly stated that is woolly.Manxman_in_exile said:
Of course there is no law saying "you can't reverse in a one-way road". The law says you can only travel in one specified direction along a one-way road, in accordance with the signage. Whether you are reversing or not is immaterial so long as you are travelling in the permitted direction.diystarter7 said:
... Btw, I'm sure there is no law saying you can't reverse in a one-way road and if there is it must be woolly.shane2k said:they at fault as you should only reverse if safe to do so but if you no dash camera then they could say you drove into them
I've made my point very clear and I'll let you pick and choose bits you may want to respond to....
Can you please point me to this law about reversing in a one-way street and explain what is unclear or "woolly" about it?
The officer who catches you speeding will charge you under the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984, not the HC.1 -
So, what part of ""Vehicular traffic must proceed in the direction indicated by the arrow" do you find woolly, or open to (mis)interpretation?diystarter7 said:Manxman_in_exile said:
See my previous post.diystarter7 said:
Incredible.Manxman_in_exile said:
Of course there is no law saying "you can't reverse in a one-way road". The law says you can only travel in one specified direction along a one-way road, in accordance with the signage. Whether you are reversing or not is immaterial so long as you are travelling in the permitted direction.diystarter7 said:
... Btw, I'm sure there is no law saying you can't reverse in a one-way road and if there is it must be woolly.shane2k said:they at fault as you should only reverse if safe to do so but if you no dash camera then they could say you drove into them
Are you saying you can't reverse park?...diystarter7 said:
... There is a law re reversing in a one way but as I clearly stated that is woolly.Manxman_in_exile said:
Of course there is no law saying "you can't reverse in a one-way road". The law says you can only travel in one specified direction along a one-way road, in accordance with the signage. Whether you are reversing or not is immaterial so long as you are travelling in the permitted direction.diystarter7 said:
... Btw, I'm sure there is no law saying you can't reverse in a one-way road and if there is it must be woolly.shane2k said:they at fault as you should only reverse if safe to do so but if you no dash camera then they could say you drove into them
I've made my point very clear and I'll let you pick and choose bits you may want to respond to....
Can you please point me to this law about reversing in a one-way street and explain what is unclear or "woolly" about it?
The Highway Code states that "you must not reverse your vehicle further than necessary", which is also backed up in the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986.
I hope it is now very clear about what I was IE The law is 'woolly' as the above is open to interpretation by the said officer.2 -
For starters, what does "proceed" mean here? I think it's likely it means some significant travel.[Deleted User] said:
So, what part of ""Vehicular traffic must proceed in the direction indicated by the arrow" do you find woolly, or open to (mis)interpretation?diystarter7 said:Manxman_in_exile said:
See my previous post.diystarter7 said:
Incredible.Manxman_in_exile said:
Of course there is no law saying "you can't reverse in a one-way road". The law says you can only travel in one specified direction along a one-way road, in accordance with the signage. Whether you are reversing or not is immaterial so long as you are travelling in the permitted direction.diystarter7 said:
... Btw, I'm sure there is no law saying you can't reverse in a one-way road and if there is it must be woolly.shane2k said:they at fault as you should only reverse if safe to do so but if you no dash camera then they could say you drove into them
Are you saying you can't reverse park?...diystarter7 said:
... There is a law re reversing in a one way but as I clearly stated that is woolly.Manxman_in_exile said:
Of course there is no law saying "you can't reverse in a one-way road". The law says you can only travel in one specified direction along a one-way road, in accordance with the signage. Whether you are reversing or not is immaterial so long as you are travelling in the permitted direction.diystarter7 said:
... Btw, I'm sure there is no law saying you can't reverse in a one-way road and if there is it must be woolly.shane2k said:they at fault as you should only reverse if safe to do so but if you no dash camera then they could say you drove into them
I've made my point very clear and I'll let you pick and choose bits you may want to respond to....
Can you please point me to this law about reversing in a one-way street and explain what is unclear or "woolly" about it?
The Highway Code states that "you must not reverse your vehicle further than necessary", which is also backed up in the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986.
I hope it is now very clear about what I was IE The law is 'woolly' as the above is open to interpretation by the said officer.
If it literally means you can never move a vehicle in the wrong direction, even by a trivial amount, isn't that going to leave people stuck in e.g. parking spaces, or unable to reverse out of driveways etc?0 -
[Deleted User] said:
So, what part of ""Vehicular traffic must proceed in the direction indicated by the arrow" do you find woolly, or open to (mis)interpretation?diystarter7 said:Manxman_in_exile said:
See my previous post.diystarter7 said:
Incredible.Manxman_in_exile said:
Of course there is no law saying "you can't reverse in a one-way road". The law says you can only travel in one specified direction along a one-way road, in accordance with the signage. Whether you are reversing or not is immaterial so long as you are travelling in the permitted direction.diystarter7 said:
... Btw, I'm sure there is no law saying you can't reverse in a one-way road and if there is it must be woolly.shane2k said:they at fault as you should only reverse if safe to do so but if you no dash camera then they could say you drove into them
Are you saying you can't reverse park?...diystarter7 said:
... There is a law re reversing in a one way but as I clearly stated that is woolly.Manxman_in_exile said:
Of course there is no law saying "you can't reverse in a one-way road". The law says you can only travel in one specified direction along a one-way road, in accordance with the signage. Whether you are reversing or not is immaterial so long as you are travelling in the permitted direction.diystarter7 said:
... Btw, I'm sure there is no law saying you can't reverse in a one-way road and if there is it must be woolly.shane2k said:they at fault as you should only reverse if safe to do so but if you no dash camera then they could say you drove into them
I've made my point very clear and I'll let you pick and choose bits you may want to respond to....
Can you please point me to this law about reversing in a one-way street and explain what is unclear or "woolly" about it?
The Highway Code states that "you must not reverse your vehicle further than necessary", which is also backed up in the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986.
I hope it is now very clear about what I was IE The law is 'woolly' as the above is open to interpretation by the said officer.proceed.everybody knows what it means, except they don't, and it isn't defined in the HC.If you are manoeuvring to park, are you proceeding? Does proceed just mean "move forward", "move in a particular direction" or does it mean "travel"?I would think that by now there would be legal precedents as to what proceed means though.I want to go back to The Olden Days, when every single thing that I can think of was better.....
(except air quality and Medical Science
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My lawyer friends tell me that in the absence of a specific legal definition, a judge will reach for a dictionary. Thus "proceed" usually means "to move forward or travel in a particular direction". or similar.facade said:[Deleted User] said:
So, what part of ""Vehicular traffic must proceed in the direction indicated by the arrow" do you find woolly, or open to (mis)interpretation?diystarter7 said:Manxman_in_exile said:
See my previous post.diystarter7 said:
Incredible.Manxman_in_exile said:
Of course there is no law saying "you can't reverse in a one-way road". The law says you can only travel in one specified direction along a one-way road, in accordance with the signage. Whether you are reversing or not is immaterial so long as you are travelling in the permitted direction.diystarter7 said:
... Btw, I'm sure there is no law saying you can't reverse in a one-way road and if there is it must be woolly.shane2k said:they at fault as you should only reverse if safe to do so but if you no dash camera then they could say you drove into them
Are you saying you can't reverse park?...diystarter7 said:
... There is a law re reversing in a one way but as I clearly stated that is woolly.Manxman_in_exile said:
Of course there is no law saying "you can't reverse in a one-way road". The law says you can only travel in one specified direction along a one-way road, in accordance with the signage. Whether you are reversing or not is immaterial so long as you are travelling in the permitted direction.diystarter7 said:
... Btw, I'm sure there is no law saying you can't reverse in a one-way road and if there is it must be woolly.shane2k said:they at fault as you should only reverse if safe to do so but if you no dash camera then they could say you drove into them
I've made my point very clear and I'll let you pick and choose bits you may want to respond to....
Can you please point me to this law about reversing in a one-way street and explain what is unclear or "woolly" about it?
The Highway Code states that "you must not reverse your vehicle further than necessary", which is also backed up in the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986.
I hope it is now very clear about what I was IE The law is 'woolly' as the above is open to interpretation by the said officer.proceed.everybody knows what it means, except they don't, and it isn't defined in the HC.If you are manoeuvring to park, are you proceeding? Does proceed just mean "move forward", "move in a particular direction" or does it mean "travel"?I would think that by now there would be legal precedents as to what proceed means though.
Also, there may be a legal precedent. The meaning of a red light in law is "vehicular traffic must not proceed beyond the stop line", and that seems to be universally applied to moving forward. I've never heard of anyone being convicted for reversing over the stop line.0
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