How to convince a family member to be energy conscious

Mstty

wittynamegoeshere said:

Either way, you're suggesting that the one that earns the money calls the shots, and their partner should just be quiet.

No it could be both as stated in my response which you have ignored.

Hence getting the lay of the land before advising,👍

Misogyny is not my bag but if you see it that way maybe that's your issue?

Mstty

GasPants said:

Mstty said:

wittynamegoeshere said:

Mstty said:

@GasPants

I don't think you answered one of the very first replies

"Who pays the bills"

This is relevent as if the person using the most energy and resistant to saving energy pays the bills and they are happy with the cost then you may be banging your head against a brick wall

I'd translate your response as "The man of the house has spoken, don't answer back".

Not a healthy approach.

Well then you would be translating wrongly.

It could well be the lady or both in control of finances I was just trying to get all the facts before wading in with energy advice and approach to a resistant energy user.

Who said I was a lady? You have overlooked the possibility that I am male also. Anyway, we jointly contribute but I tend to deal with the finances.

I didn't say you were a lady?

Thanks for confirming joint that means you should equally have say in energy use which means you are not being unreasonable pointing out areas of high usage👍

Think I will turn away from this thread sorry for upsetting you

FreeBear

poppellerant said:

wittynamegoeshere said:

poppellerant said:

I used to turn my systems on an off a very long time ago.  But I won't forget the feeling of losing my data drive one morning, when it didn't spin up.  So as tiny as the risk might be, it's not a risk I am willing to take again.  This includes stopping the drives spinning down, to save a couple of watts.  It simply is not worth the risk.

I used to have two hard drives in my computer, so having a drive for the system and programs and another drive for my storage isn't unfamiliar to me.  In fact I still have two separate drives now - one is an SSD for Windows and programs, the other is a hard drive for my files.

I appreciate that you had good intentions when posting.  But believe me, experience has taught me the best way of doing things.

Hard disks fail regularly, whether power-cycled or not.  Yours failed on power-up, but it probably would have failed later on if it had never been off.

By your logic, no hard disk in any data centre would ever fail, they are never shut down so should last for ever.  In reality, they regularly fail.

You should just accept that anything on any storage device could be wiped out at any point.  If you think your sole copy of your data is safe as a result of leaving it on all the time then you just have fooled yourself into a false sense of security, and are wasting a load of power keeping a disk spinning for ever at a few thousand rpm for no actual additional safety.

How healthy do you think those bearings are after however many billion revs it has done?  There are risks to power-cycling, but there are also big risks in using something until it wears out.

I do accept that my data is always at risk and this is why I keep regular backups, more-so after my little scare.

How often do you check the integrity of your backups and/or attempt a restore ?

Having hinky backup software or corrupted media is pretty useless when you need to recover the data.

Spies

FreeBear said:

poppellerant said:

wittynamegoeshere said:

poppellerant said:

I used to turn my systems on an off a very long time ago.  But I won't forget the feeling of losing my data drive one morning, when it didn't spin up.  So as tiny as the risk might be, it's not a risk I am willing to take again.  This includes stopping the drives spinning down, to save a couple of watts.  It simply is not worth the risk.

I used to have two hard drives in my computer, so having a drive for the system and programs and another drive for my storage isn't unfamiliar to me.  In fact I still have two separate drives now - one is an SSD for Windows and programs, the other is a hard drive for my files.

I appreciate that you had good intentions when posting.  But believe me, experience has taught me the best way of doing things.

Hard disks fail regularly, whether power-cycled or not.  Yours failed on power-up, but it probably would have failed later on if it had never been off.

By your logic, no hard disk in any data centre would ever fail, they are never shut down so should last for ever.  In reality, they regularly fail.

You should just accept that anything on any storage device could be wiped out at any point.  If you think your sole copy of your data is safe as a result of leaving it on all the time then you just have fooled yourself into a false sense of security, and are wasting a load of power keeping a disk spinning for ever at a few thousand rpm for no actual additional safety.

How healthy do you think those bearings are after however many billion revs it has done?  There are risks to power-cycling, but there are also big risks in using something until it wears out.

I do accept that my data is always at risk and this is why I keep regular backups, more-so after my little scare.

How often do you check the integrity of your backups and/or attempt a restore ?

Having hinky backup software or corrupted media is pretty useless when you need to recover the data.

Which is why you should have 3 copies of any data you value.

PennineAcute

Spies said:

FreeBear said:

poppellerant said:

wittynamegoeshere said:

poppellerant said:

I used to turn my systems on an off a very long time ago.  But I won't forget the feeling of losing my data drive one morning, when it didn't spin up.  So as tiny as the risk might be, it's not a risk I am willing to take again.  This includes stopping the drives spinning down, to save a couple of watts.  It simply is not worth the risk.

I used to have two hard drives in my computer, so having a drive for the system and programs and another drive for my storage isn't unfamiliar to me.  In fact I still have two separate drives now - one is an SSD for Windows and programs, the other is a hard drive for my files.

I appreciate that you had good intentions when posting.  But believe me, experience has taught me the best way of doing things.

Hard disks fail regularly, whether power-cycled or not.  Yours failed on power-up, but it probably would have failed later on if it had never been off.

By your logic, no hard disk in any data centre would ever fail, they are never shut down so should last for ever.  In reality, they regularly fail.

You should just accept that anything on any storage device could be wiped out at any point.  If you think your sole copy of your data is safe as a result of leaving it on all the time then you just have fooled yourself into a false sense of security, and are wasting a load of power keeping a disk spinning for ever at a few thousand rpm for no actual additional safety.

How healthy do you think those bearings are after however many billion revs it has done?  There are risks to power-cycling, but there are also big risks in using something until it wears out.

I do accept that my data is always at risk and this is why I keep regular backups, more-so after my little scare.

How often do you check the integrity of your backups and/or attempt a restore ?

Having hinky backup software or corrupted media is pretty useless when you need to recover the data.

Which is why you should have 3 copies of any data you value.

Using the PC term

Grandparent, parent, child method.

wild666

sandy700 said:

mumf said:

Honest question: Why would a person not want to save money? We turn stuff off as a routine. Just sayin’…

sockets in places that can't easily be switched off?

Until I had the flat rewired in July last year the majority of my electricity socket were at floor level. I asked if they could move the position to about 1 meter from the floor, which they did, now I don't have to bend over to put in a plug to turn things on.  

MWT

wittynamegoeshere said:

I haven't looked for years, but I don't think there's a reasonably simple backup system that keeps a history of every file.

We are more than slightly off-topic at this point, but check out 'Syncplicity'. It is not free but it is what I use across multiple machines and it does allow version recovery on updated files as well as a simple 'off-site' backup capability.