European Travel Information and Authorisation System (ETIAS)

NoodleDoodleMan

Has there been a separate earlier thread on this legislation which comes into effect next year ?

I've been browsing a few online articles from publications which seem to think it's a significant imposition on Brits travelling to the EU etc. on hollday.

eDicky

That's a laugh - the 'significant imposition' will be felt in common with any other non EU citizen who does not require an actual visa to enter the EU. I wonder how many of those complaining voted for the loss of that EU citizenship a few years ago, and I'm sure that none of them had any consideration for the significant imposition on other EU members caused by their vote.

There was a recent thread about the timescales:

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6366701/etias-post-brexit-visa-to-travel-to-eu#latest

NoodleDoodleMan

Thanks for the link.

The UK obliges a wide range of foreign nationals to apply for a visa to visit Britain - so it's not unreasonable for the EU/Schengan Area to expect the same of us now that the lunacy of Brexit has taken effect.

Those articles were verging on the usual scaremongering nonsense that we regularly get from some publications in respect of Brits looking to holiday in these countries.

TELLIT01

It's not different to what was required to travel to Turkey for many years, and is still required for travel to many other parts of the world.  In most instances it only takes a couple of minutes to complete the required forms.

CKhalvashi

It's got nothing to do with Brits.

It's a security measure for third country citizens to ensure the EU borders remain controlled and secure, as the checks can be completed before those third country citizens get on board the aircraft, not at the airport of arrival. It should therefore speed things up a little.

There are no visa restrictions on British nationals. There may well be though if the UK willingly breaks agreements it has willingly made as is being threatened, however political debate is no longer allowed on the forum.

Sandtree

NoodleDoodleMan said:

The UK obliges a wide range of foreign nationals to apply for a visa to visit Britain - so it's not unreasonable for the EU/Schengan Area to expect the same of us.

Other than its not, its not a visa, its validation that you don't need a visa. Same as the ESTA in the USA and the same as what the UK has said it'll consider introducing. 

NoodleDoodleMan

In practical terms, regardless of what it's called, the "bottom line" is much the same - you'll need one or the other to enter the country in question.

CKhalvashi

Still not just for Brits though, or adversely affecting British nationals.

One could argue that the main loser of ETIAS at the moment will be Ukrainian nationals, as I wouldn't be surprised in the near future if close to the number of UA citizens are crossing the border as UK. The effect will also be higher as a percentage of income than the UK.

Doshwaster

I classify it as a "mild annoyance" rather than a "significant imposition" but since we voted not be in the EU its one of the prices we have to pay for our decision. A bigger issue is the 90 day limits per 180 days which will hit frequent travellers and those with holiday homes.

Sandtree

NoodleDoodleMan said:

In practical terms, regardless of what it's called, the "bottom line" is much the same - you'll need one or the other to enter the country in question.

Its not always just about the bottom line though... as a previous poster here found, try failing the ESTA process and having to go for a Tourist Visa for visiting the USA and you will note there is a more than subtle difference in the process, costs and timescales between the two.

Schengen Visa's possibly are easier than US but still involve an interview, still over 10x the cost etc etc.

CKhalvashi

Sandtree said:

NoodleDoodleMan said:

In practical terms, regardless of what it's called, the "bottom line" is much the same - you'll need one or the other to enter the country in question.

Its not always just about the bottom line though... as a previous poster here found, try failing the ESTA process and having to go for a Tourist Visa for visiting the USA and you will note there is a more than subtle difference in the process, costs and timescales between the two.

Schengen Visa's possibly are easier than US but still involve an interview, still over 10x the cost etc etc.

There is no reason for 99% to fail. The 1% that do will largely be those the EU don't want in the first place as they will likely be the security risk.