Few questions (including detection time)

Snakes_Belly

Le_Kirk said:

Snakes_Belly said:

"If the signage on the entrance states no parking between 11.30PM and 10.00AM"

Does the signage say that specifically on the entrance to the site?  

I have seen signs that say charges apply between 7.30 am and 18.30 pm which suggests that you can park free outside those times but drivers have still received a PCN.

Was there demarcation between the area's of the car park with differing terms and conditions?    

Oh, yes very ambiguous!  Should the doctrine of Contra Proferentem apply in these cases.  It doesn't specifically say no parking outside of those hours just that charges apply between those hours!

Charges apply 7.30 am to 18.30 pm  Monday to Sunday. Motorists have received PCN's for parking outside those hours.  

Coupon-mad

Oh my days what a dog's dinner of a sign.  I have to say I would never ever have driven in.

Those signs (in particular ANY sign from an IPC member) are warnings to leave, in my book.

mikeylpool

For my case I went and had a look at the signage and regrettably it is very clear - quite explicit and in big letters
So I don't think poor signage will be an excuse.

I sort of resided to the fact that I need to chalk this one up to experience and pay up, the only thing perhaps to argue against is whether £60 is a far charge for 10mins of time on the private land.  Is it worth pursuing and taking the militant approach, I don't know?

Coupon-mad

That sign is a complete dogs dinner and not clear at all! Absolutely no paying it!

https://clearest.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/DVLA-BPA-Cutts12June2012_v2_mf.pdf

mikeylpool

Coupon-mad said:

That sign is a complete dogs dinner and not clear at all! Absolutely no paying it!

https://clearest.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/DVLA-BPA-Cutts12June2012_v2_mf.pdf

The post a few back with the sign image wasn't mine.  I'll post a picture in a moment of my one.

mikeylpool

Signs  near the entrance. 

Snakes_Belly

mikeylpool said:

Signs  near the entrance. 

There is a sign for Argos. They would be open before 10.00 am unless a Sunday. I don't think that it's brilliant signage if you were driving past and seeing signs for places that are open before 10am is confusing. Were you there in the morning?  

mikeylpool

Snakes_Belly said:

mikeylpool said:

Signs  near the entrance. 

There is a sign for Argos. They would be open before 10.00 am unless a Sunday. I don't think that it's brilliant signage if you were driving past and seeing signs for places that are open before 10am is confusing. Were you there in the morning?  

Basically there is a demarcated section of parking that just has one way in and out.  This is completely surrounded by a border/territory markers.  Either side of the way in there are signs like the one above. Plus there are a couple of others which are quite large letters (i.e. not hidden in small print).  As I say, I'm not sure I was wriggle out of this one, unless I was prepared just to tell them that £60 isn't a fair charge for the 10 mins

Umkomaas

The siting of the ANPR cameras might be interesting.  Can you give us an address so we can look in Google Street View?

unless I was prepared just to tell them that £60 isn't a fair charge for the 10 mins

Won't work, they'll simply quote ParkingEye v Beavis Supreme Court judgment.

Coupon-mad

mikeylpool said:

Snakes_Belly said:

mikeylpool said:

Signs  near the entrance. 

There is a sign for Argos. They would be open before 10.00 am unless a Sunday. I don't think that it's brilliant signage if you were driving past and seeing signs for places that are open before 10am is confusing. Were you there in the morning?  

Basically there is a demarcated section of parking that just has one way in and out.  This is completely surrounded by a border/territory markers.  Either side of the way in there are signs like the one above. Plus there are a couple of others which are quite large letters (i.e. not hidden in small print).  As I say, I'm not sure I was wriggle out of this one,

Really...?

Where on those signs do you read about the £100 the driver supposedly agreed to pay?

unless I was prepared just to tell them that £60 isn't a fair charge for the 10 mins.

Not as such - 'disproportionate charge' as an argument has no legs - but lack of fair grace period to read the signs in this 'mixed messages' car park, and then decide to leave, has legs.

Remind us exactly what times the car was there and why?  How come they left after 10 mins?